Spot on. All this rather have Manu talk is rubbish.

I'd like to have both though.

We will just to have to see but willie rarely misses games aswell unlike ellis who was dtarting to miss few games last season and started this one injured and now has a broken foit

Hull make best and final offer.

He hasn't signed.

In the past 3 seasons Ellis has missed 1 more league game then Manu, he's probably a bit worn out playing back to back rugby for 3 years.

He's having a little break now while his fracture mends, hopefully he'll be fresh as a daisy when he arrives.

Ellis and Tickle are workhorses. Manu is a line breaker.

However you dress it up losing Manu would be a huge blow.

This could be Ellis effect?

As ive just put on the wail site it would be a loss but im sure Gentle could find a more than adequate replacement over in Oz and with Westerman, Tickle, Ellis and possibly Aspinwall plus one more then im happy with the back row anyway. Its the front row that needs the most attention imo

Oh and weve now got Pitts as well

That's the way I see it. MAnu and tickle is a great combo. Tickle and ellis is also a great combo but neither have the abilities that manu does

Gutted, truly gutted

Losing McKinnon, O'Meley and Moa are bigger if we can't replace them.

It doesn't look good and an gutted, our best attacking player, plays 80 mins, never gets injured and is off quota. I honestly think he will be impossible to replace.

We need both if we are to really challange the top teams. A huge blow if he goes. Signing Ellis was supposed to attract other top players not drive them away!

If he does go we don't need to replace him Dave.

I disagree we are losing our best attacking player, we have no other player that can do what many does. I was hoping to build on our squad from this year, but it looks like another total upheaval. There is no way anyone will convince be losing our best player us a massive blow.

Dont we?

totally agree, we need to build up the squad with quality players not just swap like for like.