Absolutely spot on.

As this is supposedly a debate about the suitability of Mr Agar as our head coach, I would like to know where some of the pro-agar people are (you know who you are). Where are you this afternoon. Why aren't you on here putting across your side of the argument? Because there is a large number of people on this forum who are really struggling to see any light at the end of the tunnel this afternoon.

You are just as much entitled to an opinion as the rest of us and no-one is going to kill you for it. I think an alternative viewpoint would be welcome to what is becoming a very one sided discussion.

Very well put

I find it very difficult, we play boring rugby and the style has not improved despite better results. I don't think Agar should have been given the chance to lead us this season after the dismal previous campaigns; however he was, and to finish 6th was a good improvement. Part of me thinks it wouldn't be fair to sack a man who has presided over such an improvement. But I don't think he has shown anything to suggest he can improve us to Top 4 standard, or even make watching FC an enjoyable experience rather than an act of faith and loyalty.

Agar out for me; if he is still here he needs to deliver a more attacking style and a top 6 finish again. If it's the same old boring drivel, I'll accept it if we finish in the top 2!

I would prefer a top coach who could also mentor Webster.

If no one else is yet available, then we won't do any worse with Webster in charge, and he would most probably do much better.

I wouldn't mind if the club gave him a years trial, and relegate Agar to assistant. If he don't like it, he can always leave.

Why comment when you clearly have not read my entire post. In order to help you I said this...... a complete inability to put to decent halves back to back. Example Saints at Home. Woeful first half and decent second. Yep I even critised that game.

As far as I am concerned one swallow and all that. We have so few highlights this season which for a top club is imo a disgrace. The season started and finished away at Saints as far as the highlights are concerned. That was the only game we played for a full 80. Short of major surgery to the squad and a complete change in playing style I will be forever in the Agar out camp.

Its not only Agar look at the whole coaching setup not produced a forward from King to Houghton.
No the play is dure and only one plan ,as a coach does not seem to have any thing to offer,no backing up, no one running lines and to many favorites.

Also don't think the team is fit.
Thats just my opinion and the team do not seem up for it, if they had spirit of Don Robson ,Boxall,Wardle and co might at least play better .

As far as I am concerned that is just more of the same bull$h!t.

You know a club is serious, only when they employ the right man at the top.

When I see a head coach brought in, who knows how to use his tools, rather then blame his tools, then I will begin to believe the club (or KH) is serious.

You are the love child of James Rule and Uncle Kath and I claim my £5

I have tried very hard to see Richard Agar make the grade as a super league coach, he fails on several fronts. His team selections have me baffled, with hookers playing as centre's second rowers used as props and loose men used as battering rams. Our pack was totally dominated last night and not for the first time this season or last and next season is more of the same. Longy was flattened nearly every time he got the ball last night; he was missing any sort of half back partner. By that I do not mean Washy, he was lost form the moment he came on.

Some think our recruitment has been good, brilliant it may look in fact it has now been proven to be all wrong. The balance is all wrong and we have too many forwards who may or may not perform depending on how they feel or how the week went. We could have played for another four hours and still never scored we are clueless, easy for Mr Agar to blame it on sticking to the game plan. Game plans are ok but like battle plans they rarely work after contact with the enemy has been made and the team should on its own be able to adapt to changing patterns of play. Last night we lost Hall after a mere six minutes and I knew then I may as well have gone home and boy was I right.

The whole club needs an overall and quick because many that where there last night will not be buying passes or returning on a regular basis next season. For too long the faithful (and I use the word with reservations) have been promised the world and they have coughed up large amounts of cash for poor returns in recent years. They changes have to be NOW any delay will have a detrimental effect on this club for next season and beyond, anyone thinking different is in for a very nasty surprise this has gone on long enough.

I will now have a right go at the faithful, faithful.............. Spineless more like last night I sat in the South Stand and for a while I thought I was in a bloody mortuary. Not one chorus of the anthem was belted out a first for me at a derby. Many around tried to get it going may as well have started to chorus Red Red Robin because they outplayed us, out enthused us and out sung us on our own midden.

I have left the game before the end once in my life, Wembley 83 until last night and I went at the point Welly scored ( another FC reject by the way ). I was not disappointed or surprised by the result because I knew it was going to happen, it was kismet. I had something better to do in town then watch a bunch of overpaid, under performing journey men parading around after the match to accept the grateful applause from the fans for yet another season wasted. I was not alone, indeed the walkway to Argyle st was awash of black and white I thought it was Wembley (1983) away all over again. I am now kinda glad that by working Fridays I have and will continue to miss what is offered as Rugby league to FC fans, its not the game I know and its not the game I like and I am truly not going to spent money watching something I do no longer enjoy and I will not be alone. Last night was by far the worst night I have spent watching a game in my life, with possibly the Bradford play off match of 2005 coming a close second that one was caused by player power .

Rich will go

it’s not if, but when maybe some will miss the five drives and a poor kick I will not...........

Well those who know me and those who have seen my rants on here know which side of the fence i sit on. Some of the main points for me

The standard of rugby is my main bugbear with Agar. Yes it is safety first rugby and that is all well and good at the appropriate times, EG winning 30-0 you then just use the basics and keep a tight grip on the game without trying to force it. It doesn't look pretty but it can get the job done.
That is fine when winning, yet we seem to resort to this tactic when we are losing as well, so many times when you need a spark we just go back to basics.
Also many of the times we play this way we fail to get the basics right and end up handing over possesion too easily.

His motivational skills are poor from what i have witnessed this season, we have had the occasional game when the team have come out motivated and fired up but all too many times they have turned up and gone through the motions. Now you get that with every team, but a good coach will sort it out at half time and get those players working harder and trying to turn the game around. We just don't do it and either the players just don't care or they are not being pushed hard enough to do what they are paid to do. Whatever the problem the coach should be sorting it out. I would personally rather see a couple of U20's brought in to prove a point to a senior player that if they are not committed and giving everything it will not be tolerated.

His tactical skills also seem to be poor, we never seem to aim at a teams particular weakness yet other teams know our weakness lies out wide and the best teams have exploited that to the hilt. His use of substitutions is bizare at times and where he chooses to play players has also been a strange one at times.

I know people claim our lack of stability at halfback has been the main problem for us, yet Saints have been hit hard in that department this season as well but they can still manage to patch things up and score points. We look unable to break defences for the majority of games no matter who is running the show for us in the middle of the park.

I really do not see what he will be changing next season and all i can see is more or the same.

Excellent post!