Problem is we keep giving the past it/average players new contracts

Likes of carlos, houghton, fash, cator, Lane, brown aren't better than many players in their positions in the league

Carlos is past it

If we could have team in 2025 something like this looks a world of difference genuine quality and players we could realistically sign imo

Hoy
Mitch
Lafai
Sutcliffe
J Burgess
Trueman
Fages
Ese ese
Brown
Sao
Okunbor
Currie
Ben garcia ( out of contract )

Pele
Philbin
Balmforth
Ashworth

I'm not sure any of those are realistic signings, maybe Lafai, but the rest very little chance.

Not wanting to pick holes in your post you say Carlos is finished but then have Mitch in your 17 for 2025. No offence but Mitch has hardly played for us due a succession on injuries and Scott for one is a far better player than Mitch.

Agree that we need some quality signings adding to the squad for 2025 particularly an out an out 7. Question marks are certainly on the some players with the likes of Lane really needing to show something to get in to the 17. The likes of players such as Cator and Fash are needed and valuable to the squad, the issue isn't their ability its how we've had to over use them every week with a light weight 17. With additions of size in Ese ese, Pele, Ashworth, Okunbor etc for me Fash & Cator will be of much greater use and benefit next season.

Salford money problems so why wouldn't burgess come

Fages went to Huddersfield last 2 years

Garcia out of contract

Currie would be hardest one to get out of them listed

For me cator isn't good enough you replace him with someone like Ben garcia huge upgrade

Ese ese , Pele, Okunbor and ashworth are basically been swapped for Taylor, satae, Griffin and Savelio

Garcia will be 32 come 2025 and the club were moving away from signing players the wrong side of 30 and has invested in its youth policy for good reason. Fingers crossed we will see some of the youth transition successfully in to very good SL players over the next 12-24 months.
The way the sport in heading in the UK a strong youth development at a club will be one of the key facets to achieving success.

As I said Cator was played last season along with too many players that were lightweight as we just did not have any real size. Any squad that has a 17 that consists of players the size of Fash, Cator etc on a regular is going to get beat up and look poor as we often did.
I'm not saying Cator or Fash are world beaters but they are valuable squad players and if used correctly will be much better and more affective in a 17 that is a bigger physical one.

Not many would argue we still have a lot of improvements to be made to the squad due to the poor retention/recruitment/management of the squad under the two previous Head Coaches.

Salford have just lost Sio. Another blow for them

I would say devil is in the detail, if we are competing in games and in particular performing in August/September but still miss out in the 6 id be ok with that. I think 7th-11th will be heavily impacted by injuries and suspensions theres not a lot to split the squads.

But if irs the usual flatter to deceive early in the season then down tools from August then I will be asking serious questions.

Very big blow for them, he haa consistently scored tries in some mediocre teams

We won't pay a transfer, doubt Burgess or Philbin would move to Hull either.

Fages has just signed for Catalans, Currie a new 3 year contract.

Garcia will stay at Catalans.

Good player but at 33 on the quota, gives them some options, bet they will sign Olpherts though.

Cator got run over a few times last season

He'll follow likes of Jack logan, bowden, Chris Green etc in dropping to championship once they leave us

We need to drop this "hull born and bred" cause likes of lane, cator and Fash are the weak links and nothing will change whilst they stay with us

Imagine ellis minichello and manu playing against them 3

For me I can't see past Wigan to dominate in 2024 as their squad looks very good with quality and depth a plenty.

Beyond that St's will no doubt likely be next, then I think its a bit of an unknown for 3rd to 6th.
Catalans have recruited well but lost some significant & influential players in Pearce, Tomkins, Keighran along with Sam Moa in the coaching dept so think they'll have some adjusting to do.
Leeds have recruited well with the likes of Croft, Millar and Ackers but Frawley could go either way and they still look light in the forwards.
Warrington under Burgess could be a masterstroke or an absolute train wreck
Rovers & Leigh again decent squads with the pressure on both to back up the performances of last season and improve.
Ourselves, Cas and Huddersfield will be looking to improve on last seasons poor performances.
Salford not sure how they'll go with the issues theyve had to deal with and the loss of Croft & Ackers in particular.
London are really a complete unknown.

So for me I think it will be

1. Wigan
2. St's
3rd to 10th could be any order
11. Cas
12. London

Think we'll be somewhere between 9th and 7th in all honesty but could well surprise a few a do a little better.

Errr Wakey are now in the Championship!