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| Quote: pmarrow "When AP took over he would have had his mindset on this club now breaking records, I doubt he would have thought the ones that occurred on Thursday night. I have defended Gentle til I was blue in the face at times this season but what has happened since Wembley can't be defended. AP has invested in the club heavily and to see that sort of defeat is a slap in the face to him. 50 points down at half time in a do or die game is a disgrace and should be treated as such.
Last year we went out of the play offs to a Warrington side who reached the Grand final 24-12 in the same round. Gentle has lost it behind the scenes and he has to be accounted for, granted some players are to be held responsible too but ending your season with a 70+ drubbing IS doing a bad job.
If you take Wembley out of the equation, we finished in the same position as we did last year with four less points. If Gentle stays for next season (which I honestly believe is very very unlikely) I wouldn't be too disheartened as I still feel they is more to come from him. However I already believe too much damage is done and people at the club need to realize AP will not settle for those standards and for that matter neither will the supporters. To claim only half a dozen supporters on an internet forum are disgruntled is massive understatement, I can tell you they was probably 50 on the coach on the way back Thursday and nearly every customer I have served in the bookies over the past few days.
For me I'd rather keep Gentle then have Radford but I am now firmly in the camp of "I wouldn't lose any sleep if he got sacked". I wouldn't say people are scared to stick by him but after two seasons are entitled to expect better then conceding 70 points in a game that is suppose to be the pinnacle of our season. People are right to question him after that performance.'" I'm not going to disagree with what you say, but if Pearson thought it would only take two years he's an idiot, even 3 or 4 is a push. It's a 5 year minimum this job and getting rid of a coach that has done well in building the foundations is not a sound move, IMO, and just means that 5 year journey starts again.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "I'm not going to disagree with what you say, but if Pearson thought it would only take two years he's an idiot, even 3 or 4 is a push. It's a 5 year minimum this job and getting rid of a coach that has done well in building the foundations is not a sound move, IMO, and just means that 5 year journey starts again.'"
I would agree IF we were showing some green shoots of progress, the end to 2012 for example was the same 2nd round playoff defeat as this season, but a credible performance at Wire was a whole world away from Thursday's horror show!
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "I'm not going to disagree with what you say, but if Pearson thought it would only take two years he's an idiot, even 3 or 4 is a push. It's a 5 year minimum this job and getting rid of a coach that has done well in building the foundations is not a sound move, IMO, and just means that 5 year journey starts again.'"
I agree he needs to think about the decision rather then acting on emotions but say if he doesn't see improvement in 3 years time then that is another five years he has wasted. I guess that is why he is having a review, are we off down the right path or not ?
If you look at the side that won the semi final you would think we were but if you look at the side who have played the last six weeks you would think not. With P+R due back 5 year plans are something we probably don't have time for unfortunately, I don't think he expected silverware after two years but with the money invested I think he would have hoped we would at least compete at the business end of the season.
It wouldn't surprise me though if the HDM are incorrect and Pearson could be talking more of certain players within the squad itself. Its all guess work til we hear what AP has come up with, but if I were Gentle I wouldn't be convinced his job is "100% safe". What you have to bear in mind is that Gentle has definitely lost a lot of support from the stands and each bad result next season will only make things worse. You have to find it strange we were in for Mika then all of a sudden the interest had ended, AP clearly has put things on a hold on that front and if PG was safe I doubt he would do that.
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| Quote: UllFC "I would agree IF we were showing some green shoots of progress, the end to 2012 for example was the same 2nd round playoff defeat as this season, but a credible performance at Wire was a whole world away from Thursday's horror show!'"
But there's the performances in the challenge cup, the derby away, Wire away, Leeds at home, Wigan at home, two relatively close games with Hudds. Consistency is still the problem, but our defence has improved beyond recognition and is allowing us to compete in almost every game. I think there's plenty there to build on.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I agree he needs to think about the decision rather then acting on emotions but say if he doesn't see improvement in 3 years time then that is another five years he has wasted. I guess that is why he is having a review, are we off down the right path or not ?
If you look at the side that won the semi final you would think we were but if you look at the side who have played the last six weeks you would think not. With P+R due back 5 year plans are something we probably don't have time for unfortunately, I don't think he expected silverware after two years but with the money invested I think he would have hoped we would at least compete at the business end of the season.
It wouldn't surprise me though if the HDM are incorrect and Pearson could be talking more of certain players within the squad itself. Its all guess work til we hear what AP has come up with, but if I were Gentle I wouldn't be convinced his job is "100% safe". What you have to bear in mind is that Gentle has definitely lost a lot of support from the stands and each bad result next season will only make things worse. You have to find it strange we were in for Mika then all of a sudden the interest had ended, AP clearly has put things on a hold on that front and if PG was safe I doubt he would do that.'"
this is a good point, under franchising we'd have the time to create a side of local talent and see how they progress. With relegation coming back the club simply can't risk everything on a young team, relegation would most likely mean administration for a club with big overheads like ours.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I agree he needs to think about the decision rather then acting on emotions but say if he doesn't see improvement in 3 years time then that is another five years he has wasted. I guess that is why he is having a review, are we off down the right path or not ?
If you look at the side that won the semi final you would think we were but if you look at the side who have played the last six weeks you would think not. With P+R due back 5 year plans are something we probably don't have time for unfortunately, I don't think he expected silverware after two years but with the money invested I think he would have hoped we would at least compete at the business end of the season.
It wouldn't surprise me though if the HDM are incorrect and Pearson could be talking more of certain players within the squad itself. Its all guess work til we hear what AP has come up with, but if I were Gentle I wouldn't be convinced his job is "100% safe". What you have to bear in mind is that Gentle has definitely lost a lot of support from the stands and each bad result next season will only make things worse. You have to find it strange we were in for Mika then all of a sudden the interest had ended, AP clearly has put things on a hold on that front and if PG was safe I doubt he would do that.'"
We put all our eggs into the challenge cup basket, it backfired massively and Gentle admitted after the Hudds game that they haven't recovered from it. The worst thing Pearson can do is to make a decision now, while it's still raw.
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| When Gentle first came our attack improved straight away, we started using blind side moves and a few set plays but they've all gone missing.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "We put all our eggs into the challenge cup basket, it backfired massively and Gentle admitted after the Hudds game that they haven't recovered from it. The worst thing Pearson can do is to make a decision now, while it's still raw.'"
I don't buy the "challenge cup egg basket" stuff.
They was a lot of league games before the challenge cup even started to get serious and we lost a lot of them. Warrington and Leeds have both proved in the past getting to both finals is do able as have Saints and even those teams that have finished poorly after a cup final defeat have not laid down and rolled over like we have.
I think it says it in Gentles ability right there if he has failed to regather the squad since the Cup final.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I don't buy the "challenge cup egg basket" stuff.
They was a lot of league games before the challenge cup even started to get serious and we lost a lot of them. Warrington and Leeds have both proved in the past getting to both finals is do able as have Saints and even those teams that have finished poorly after a cup final defeat have not laid down and rolled over like we have.
I think it says it in Gentles ability right there if he has failed to regather the squad since the Cup final.'"
The CC is/was no excuse for the limp performances earlier on such as Widnes away or the Good Friday derby
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| if we are to have a good clear out in players who is there to replace them? do you think we will sign anyone after the world cup? or keep taking average players from teams below us?
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| Quote: pmarrow "I don't buy the "challenge cup egg basket" stuff.
They was a lot of league games before the challenge cup even started to get serious and we lost a lot of them. Warrington and Leeds have both proved in the past getting to both finals is do able as have Saints and even those teams that have finished poorly after a cup final defeat have not laid down and rolled over like we have.
I think it says it in Gentles ability right there if he has failed to regather the squad since the Cup final.'"
How long has it taken both Leeds & Warrington to get to that level? Asking us to do it in two years is ridiculous.
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| leeds have developed through youth system warrington have bought a team but have been fortunate but also i think because theyve had and still have good organisers in briers monaghan etc. weve bought at desperate times on the back of losing out on chase/prince and other very good players. our youth we see us right but will take years.
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "leeds have developed through youth system warrington have bought a team but have been fortunate but also i think because theyve had and still have good organisers in briers monaghan etc. weve bought at desperate times on the back of losing out on chase/prince and other very good players. our youth we see us right but will take years.'"
do we have young half backs coming through, that is the biggest problem we've had for the last 20 years.
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| Quote: Standee "do we have young half backs coming through, that is the biggest problem we've had for the last 20 years.'"
I don't think we have a pick of half backs who are coming through the ranks tha wil be good enough. I was told the other day that we have let Rich Wikinson go and he's returned to West Hull.
As for Harry Tyson-Wilson, the kid is brilliant. I've mentioned his kicking game before and for his age group it's second to none. Also he really knows how to take control of the game.
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "leeds have developed through youth system warrington have bought a team but have been fortunate but also i think because theyve had and still have good organisers in briers monaghan etc. weve bought at desperate times on the back of losing out on chase/prince and other very good players. our youth we see us right but will take years.'"
Great point about experienced quality halves. Still not got the quality needed to step the club on IMO.
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