Except when Westerman played that role for Cas and was extremely effective. O'Loughlin also plays the same role and again is extremely effective. Lupton also at Crusaders. The only reason that there tends to be back rowers played there is because coaches like Agar are not good enough to utilise the position properly, and think that what you have described is the best thing to do 'because the Aussies do it'. And yes, cod'ead, you can say that's a hat-trick, but it really saddens me to see a club and players with such potential being held back by a moron in charge.

Westerman will improve dramatically next season,when Rangi arrives....

You've got it mate.

You'll notice that at no time have I disagreed with your critique of Agar.

In fact if what fc-eaststander wrote is correct, it then begs the question "why did we bother signing him?"

Then we really will be buggered

Did we decide if Fitz being compulsory at loose is his decision or Agar's?

Seeing as Radders occupied that berth prior to Fitz's arrival, it does suggest it's yet another part of Agar's master plan

True - but Fitz gets a bit agitated when it's questioned, too. Would Agar dare move him?

Oloughlin plays the same role as fitz ,tackling and running loose man ,ie exstra prop ,or running forward ,most teams play with three pivots most of the time its 6,7 and 1 ,it makes no difference what number you have on ,but the nature of the modern game dictates you need three running forwards in the middle if you want to make yardage ,if westerman had to play that role he would be too fooked to pass the ball as a pivot ,every coach plays this way not just agar ffs

i do like the way we can shift our forwards with the interchange, the fact fitzy can move up to prop and westerman comes in at LF this is where imo he plays best but he doesnt get enough game time in this position because of another interchange that will shift the forwards again, agree with what a previouse poster said about we will be buggerd if tickle moved to LF, for me tickle and manu have been 2 of the best 2nd rowers in the competition this year would be a shame to move either of them away from the position.

Couldnt see the point of the signing at the time as we had Washbrook and Whiting,who i think has 13 wrote all over him.to play there and still cant see the point.....the money would have been better use elsewhere.

whiting imo is one of only a few players who can play to his best in almost any position, solid and realiable at full back, we all say what happened last derby on the wing, centre his defensive play is good, could fill in the halves if needed, has played 2nd row and like fc baldy said could be effective at LF