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| Worst than any performance under Radford for me, just about full strength team with time to prepare and that what they produce, I know it's only one game, but the style was no different to Radfords, the set before the interception try, right on there line, 4 tackle, Kelly runs and gives an inside ball to Bowden, dreadful and nothing will change.
We need someone brought in from the outside to shake things up, even if its Danny Ward or James Ford, someone not afraid to change the style or drop the consistent underperformaning players.
If Last has any balls, he will drop both wingers, Sneyd, Bowden and Houghton to start with.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Worst than any performance under Radford for me, just about full strength team with time to prepare and that what they produce, I know it's only one game, but the style was no different to Radfords, the set before the interception try, right on there line, 4 tackle, Kelly runs and gives an inside ball to Bowden, dreadful and nothing will change.
We need someone brought in from the outside to shake things up, even if its Danny Ward or James Ford, someone not afraid to change the style or drop the consistent underperformaning players.
If Last has any balls, he will drop both wingers, Sneyd, Bowden and Houghton to start with.'"
He wont drop Houghton, they are mates!
Has LR ever apologised for how immobile, uncreative and lacking ideas he made us? No relegation means no ambition. Salford deserved the win, and we saw that nothing has changed.
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East is East,West is West,
and never the twain shall meet.
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| I would compare Hull to buying a Ferrari, then Bentley parts. All quality, but nothing fits together.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Worst than any performance under Radford for me, just about full strength team with time to prepare and that what they produce, I know it's only one game, but the style was no different to Radfords, the set before the interception try, right on there line, 4 tackle, Kelly runs and gives an inside ball to Bowden, dreadful and nothing will change.
We need someone brought in from the outside to shake things up, even if its Danny Ward or James Ford, someone not afraid to change the style or drop the consistent underperformaning players.
If Last has any balls, he will drop both wingers, Sneyd, Bowden and Houghton to start with.'"
Glad you mentioned that drop off to Bowden, it seemed to be our go to play on every set. It defined us yesterday, utterly abysmal. Agree about looking elsewhere for a coach, if we genuinely can't afford to bring in a top class experienced one then we need to look at those with something different, young and ambitious. Danny Ward as you mentioned would be my choice.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/s ... eth-ellis-
Ellis is correct in his Yorkshire Post analysis of gutless bottlers.
Errors are what they are but we have consistent players in this department and they don’t improve. Fonua is a prime example, far too many errors, always was and for that matter I would not have taken him back.
Shaul epitomises bottling it; his head quickly goes and he either can’t be d or he begins to make defensive errors.
Sneed on too many occasions goes missing and too many times offers very little. Four out of five games are poor then he plays sublimely and we are supposed to be grateful.
And Houghton for all his talk of being tired and now finding his fire well that was a damp squib.
Our pivots were and remain poor, indifferent wasters. No leadership, no go forward, clueless, guile’s, gutless no hopers.
Although it pixxed me off Pearson must be gutted seeing his money being frittered away.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/s ... eth-ellis-
Ellis is correct in his Yorkshire Post analysis of gutless bottlers.
Errors are what they are but we have consistent players in this department and they don’t improve. Fonua is a prime example, far too many errors, always was and for that matter I would not have taken him back.
Shaul epitomises bottling it; his head quickly goes and he either can’t be d or he begins to make defensive errors.
Sneed on too many occasions goes missing and too many times offers very little. Four out of five games are poor then he plays sublimely and we are supposed to be grateful.
And Houghton for all his talk of being tired and now finding his fire well that was a damp squib.
Our pivots were and remain poor, indifferent wasters. No leadership, no go forward, clueless, guile’s, gutless no hopers.
Although it pixxed me off Pearson must be gutted seeing his money being frittered away.
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| Fonau needs to be on the next plane home he;s had our pants down, we didn't need him back and hes been shocking since he came back into the team.
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| Quote: Ellam "Fonau needs to be on the next plane home he;s had our pants down, we didn't need him back and hes been shocking since he came back into the team.'"
Unfortunately Fonua has shown nothing since his return and has been a very poor signing and in truth one that should not have been made.
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| The more I think about it, the more it annoys me, that 17 yesterday, must have be paid nearly double Salfords.
I've watched every game since the restart and we are easily the worst side in the league, no fight at all.
Big chances needed and with most of the side in contract, there is only one area to chance.
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| Too early to right Fonua off, I know he hasn't been great, but not many have. We know he can be a very good player, low on confidence, needs dropping for next week
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| Trouble is now we’re back under immediate pressure with that performance.
Even if we’d looked okay in defeat , it would have bought a bit of time.
I’m not interested how good trainings been. About time they stepped up in a match environment.
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| I know fonuas has some iffy games
But I think he l come good if partnered up correctly
Showed what he can do vs Catalns as soon as Connor went to centre inside him.
But yeah needs a huge improvement
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| What is evident is that Salford did nothing fancy yesterday but simply did the basics right and got reward for that and their effort. They had desire, wanted to win and played as a team. We looked like a bunch of individuals that were there for a knock about, there was little or no organisation, no width to our play at all and time and again we were too narrow & bunched and the speed at which we played to say it was pedestrian is being kind.
Regardless of the Coach and the Covid situation the players have had 4 months to take a look at themselves and make sure individually they didn't put in the shambolic performances as they did pre lockdown. Sadly all that time to reflect as individuals, to focus and right the wrongs in their own performances seems to have been for nothing.
Far too many players are still just coasting through the game and at least 6 should be dropped altogether and others on the fringes given a chance. As a player and captain Houghton offered nothing and despite his claims of how refreshed he is, I saw little change if any at all. It was the same old same old, no leadership, hands on hips after every Salford score. A captain should lead by example and drive the players on but there is very little of that happening.
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| It was day and night wasn't it Chris the difference in desire and enthusiasm.
I commented that when a few decisions go against us, it's almost as if it's the excuse some need to throw the towel in, there's no hunger with alot of these players, I think the rot needs digging out as it effects the whole team as seen.
Sunday's pivotal now, can Last stand by his word and hold players accountable , if that team sheet includes a lot of names mentioned on here I ain't even bothering watching as itl be more of the same
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| So So Disapppinting.
Dropping a few will make little to no difference, our entire game plan is dreadful. Hearing Lasty bemoaning errors 'coming out of yardage' spoke volumes for me. We PERSIST in one out barges in our own half - where almost every time our lone soldier gets met at the gainline, mullered & then turned on his back, necessitating a very slow play the ball which leads to slow service to another lone runner who meets a very quick advancing defensive line................... oh & then we kick it back to them & have to defend against quick play the balls, multiple bodies in motion & creativity in play. No wonder our guys are gassed !!!!
Our gameplan is SOOOO Flawed & ten years out of date. I really thought the break would change things ??
Can't believe how easily we are outflanked by almost every team, often with just conventional passing - BUT opposition draw a man before passing unlike our 'shovel it on 10 metres from the gainline'. You know like we were all coached to do as 8 year olds.
Really feel for AP, his face was thunder & nobody should doubt his passion. In the clubs defence this squad was assembled to play Bradford Bulls Rugby - the COVID version of the game is not suited to this squad.
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| Fully agree with the criticism of Fonua - he was woeful, don't see how he would be better at centre ? Reminded me of Fili Seru ?
Plaudits to Carlos though - what a class act he is.
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