With all due respect, you missed my point and then at the same time got it in its entirety all in one reply matey, exactly, they...



With such an emotive issue, and such high feeling should that have even been allowed? Where are the producers and the directors, didn't Dimbleby have an ear piece?!

To make an apparent monster, into all but a martyr for his followers is not by any means clever.

He wasn't made into a martyr, although he would probably claim that.

He was given a rough ride because the vast majority of the country think his beliefs are abhorent.

It wasn't, but if Jeremy Kyle is likened to "Bear Baiting" by the UK LAW COURTS, then last night was not a millions miles from the same, it was "The Jeremy Kyle Show" with posh people and suits. The BBC knew what they were inviting to the show and did not prepare for it sufficiently.

A debate is listed in the dictionary as "a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers." whether anyone is wrong is the decision of we the public.

I just don't feel this was done last night.



Exactly, give the "alleged" scumbag an angle and he'll use it!!

Your posts implied that it was somehow deliberate, referring to a 'posse' and questioning why the BNP supporters were all sat at the back. If you didn't mean that then you might need to be a bit clearer and use less emotive language.

The BBC were, TBF, on a hiding to nothing. Having already been castigated by inviting him on they would have really got it in the neck had they been seen to interfere with proceedings in his favour. I think they quite deliberately chose to take a hands-off approach but unfortunately it didn't work as well as it might have.

The panelists and Dimbleby should have been more than capable of containing the situation. They chose not to, for whatever reasons. Although Dimbleby did get control of things towards the end. I wouldn't make too much of it though.

I'd have preferred a wider debate to further humiliate the lying fascist pig, but TBH I have no sympathy whatsoever with him over his treatment. I also don't believe that it will turn him into a martyr. If anything his snivelling protest today just makes him look weak and stupid.

This is the point. Those who say he was 'bullied' or 'lynched' are way, way off the mark. A man with abhorent views was taken to task by an audience and panel who think that such views have no place in our society.

Did anyone seriously expect the panel/audience to be saying,

"Well, that's an interesting point you make, Mr Griffin, although I can't say I agree with you. Have you perhaps considered the possibility that brown people are not the cause of all our woes? You haven't? Ok, then, fair enough. Your hair looks great, by the way."

He's a vile racist, and the reaction of the audience was the only correct one, IMO.

I think we're both "singing from the same hymn sheet" within reason, just have our own opinions on the debate.

I really do think that you're making way too much of this. It wasn't perfect, and was a bit cringeworthy in places, but it was hardly an infringement of the fascist pig's freedom of speech. If you're that interested in what he has to say there will be ample opportunity to sample his pearls of wisdom in the future.

Sorry if I've come across in an incorrect manner, I don't honestly care what he says, but if people treat him as they did last night, they give him rather emotive "Oh woe as me" ammunition.

That is my only point.

The sad fact though Kosh is that today the BNP are everywhere you look, the BBC and particularly QT have done nothing more than sensationalise them.
It will galvanise their party.
Why didn't anyone question him on other issues like education or the NHS or the mockery that is our postal service? we all know what he was going to say last night, so why not pull him apart politically and not morally?

That's fair enough, but I think you're overestimating that side of what happened last night. If you take a look at his attempt to do exactly that with his formal complaint to the BBC today, you'll see that he's just opened himself up to even more ridicule.

Alright, so you may get a handful of people who might use his 'mistreatment' as an excuse to say that they now support him (like that dim bint from Oldham on the news today). But TBH anyone that stupid was probably a lost cause anyway.

There's lots of them though! these are exactly the kind of people we need to be educating to help them realize.

The alternative was to deny them their freedom of speech, or to deny the audience members their freedom of speech.

Democracy is sometimes messy like that, and frequently less than perfect. It's all about human beings after all.


Good. If it makes them overconfident they're more likely to slip up and reveal their true selves.


As I've already said, this is the one part of last night that disappointed me. The quite understandable moral outrage got a little out of hand and could have been directed better. I primarily blame the other panelists and Dimbleby TBH.

I hardly think it was the PR disaster that some are making out, however.

Good luck with that. People that far gone are simply not capable of being shown the truth in my experience. If they've managed to avoid being educated about the BNP despite the constant opprobrium directed at them by every major media outlet then one edition of QT is going to make precisely zero difference one way or the other.

The alternative is to not recognize them as a political party as they are illegal. The BNP has more exposure now than it ever did, that's worrying to me.

I just think it became an off current topic or current affairs witch hunt , not that I agree with the BNP but it was without doubt a very biased and seems pre planned "lets make him look a tit " orgy!! what they should have done is led him into current affairs, education and health etc and he would have naturally flaoundered however I believe he may also have had a view or two.. we shall now never know