Hang on a minute. You're simultaneously saying that we should have been better because the players have been training together for months, AND because we had our 3 first choice playmakers, 2 of whom have spent less time training with the squad than most.

I'm not saying you aren't right that our basics should be better, but your reasoning contained a glaring inconsistency there.

Don't really understand the attitude comments. Thought there was plenty of effort, like Gentle said we defended pretty well, we're just not good enough and don't have the depth that a top team needs.

I'm confident Gentle is a good coach and our owner won't stop until we're challenging the top.

I would prefer an honest assessment and the club just basically say how it is. Every year we hear the same old 5hit in the hope they sell lots of passes but I would respect a more honest assessment. It would earn more respect in my opinion and probably win more supporters if the club just said it as it was.

Can you imagine the outcry on here if at the start of this season Pearson or Gentle said we would struggle to make the play offs?

I don't know whether its because its another season of change, the fact we just seem to have effort but nothing else, another season of garbage officiating or not. I generally feel the sport as a whole is going on a downward slide and just doesnt fill me with excitement anymore. I used to look forward to the weekend, 2 games on the TV and us either home or away but now if I'm honest i really dont feel I can be bothered anymore.

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I have no idea how much he's seen. But I would say that if he hasn't seen much then it's a huge problem. It's a plain and simple fact that most recruitment needs to come from this country, so I'd expect him to be doing as much research as possible and watching plenty of DVDs to learn about the players around SL pretty f**king quickly.

I really don't understand why so many Hull fans seem to have a problem with ever accepting that a situation is actually as it is described, it seems that there always have to be claims that something sinister is going on.

But your argument is we have players either playing out of position or who are new to the team.

Tonight we had

3 of our 3/4#s who have been playing together for 3 seasons
Our 1st choice half back combo
2 of our 1st choice back rowers
2 of our 1st choice front rowers

Now I don't expect us to be at our best with the players we had missing, however it isn;t an excuse for the disorganisation and lack of dummy runners and support play we saw tonight, and which has been evident for some weeks now

Damed if you do, damed if you dont.

Wellsey A really good summary of what we have seen tonight - I agree with you we were gash at times but the officiating was a disgrace - After watching the SOO this week we as as a game have gone backwards.The Refs and Touch Judges were great. Some-one I know said this week to me why dont we try to bring in 6 Aussie Refs for a time - maybe 3 months - at least it would give us more options. If clubs can pay ordinary players shed loads of money to come over here then I think the RL should consider this. Opinion please?

I feel the same. Very rarely even bother watching the SKY games live any more. Generally watch them on fast forward and just watch the tries. Can't remember the last time I bothered watching any of the other SKY RL programmes all the way through

Great post. So many moaners and conspires about alleged 'unrest' or 'fall outs'. We get it every season, funnily enough never when we're in a good run of form.

Wtf are you on about ?

Had you read the thread correctly you would have understood I was responding to a post which claims fans expectations are too high, my response was that of course they are when there are articles claiming we will make top 4!