Bottom line is, we need to add a top class centre for next seasons shopping list as well as a 6 and 2 props. No way is Crooks anywhere near ready for week in week out SL.

If we've signed Arundel why would we need another centre?

We wouldn't if Crooks continues his development. Arundel would take over from Martin and Crooks take over Turner. Do we have another up and coming centre that could take over Crooks' position as an early developing centre?

Liam Cunningham was moved to the centre this year but injuries have held him back so far.

Is he on duel register ?

Yes, with Donny IIRC.

Gwilym Lloyd says now Yeaman's injured, Turner may get an Exiles Game call-up. Because bigging Turner up makes FC look worse when he's confirmed as signing for Saints? Why the failure to mention Welham as the obvious replacement when he's already in the England Knights squad, I'm not sure.

Sorry, I lost interest after this.

No big loss.

He's not even first choice centre and has had a few good games this season.

Average, but due to desperation about the fact he's out of contract he's performed well enough to get a deal at a club who have being surpassed by FC and Cataln this year.

Speaking to a Saints supporter they expect the next few years to be difficult at best.

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I dont get the hype over him right now, yes has played about 6 good games for us at but before that he was pants and everyone to a man & woman I would guess would have been glad to get shot of him.

Now he may continue to play well under his new coach but he could also go back to being pants.

I don't think there is any 'hype'. I see a vastly improved player - who I was fairly indifferent to before this season - who has improved a little defensively but a great deal in attack. He has demonstrated length of the field pace, a try scoring ability, and ball handling skill akin to those that good centres possess.

What I don't get is how some seem indifferent to the fact that Turner has improved so much. Improving young players are not a bad asset to have in the squad - that's what we should be looking for under Gentle and Turner is a good example. I hope Arundel (if he signs) will take on that mantle along with Crooks. I doubt St Helens sign players purely on 'hype' - I'm sure they've seen enough to think that Turner has potential, not least when he ripped Shenton a new one 10m from his own line only a few weeks back.

And the fact they're signing turner and binning shenton

More to do with value for money. Shenton is reportedly earning £120k, that's just stupid.
Anybody that thinks Turner is currently better than Shenton is just wrong. Shenton is an international centre and has been a SL regular for years, Turner couldn't even get in our team at the beginning of the year.