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| Quote: Chris28 "Looks like if you stamp your feet enough you get your way. I wonder how this will affect anything anyway. The bigger, richer clubs at the top will potentially get the superstars, the smaller, poorer clubs at the bottom will break the bank to get someone who will have no effect on their position in the league and clubs will be in and out of administration right left and centre.
How will championship clubs fit into this to make 2015 a level playing field?
A stupid idea built around Koukash stamping his feet long enough.'"
not as stupid as the new Salford mascot, disgusting self adulation.
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| Quote: bishops finger "what defines a 'marquee signing'?'"
It's all about intent.............................
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| Should be looking to provide stability to the league IMO, not introduce further pressures.
For me the best thing they could do with the salary cap is too leave it as it is and make players who come from your own youth system exempt while they play for your club. That would encourage suitainable development.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "What did he tweet?'"
Something along the lines of "Here's hoping it will be Rebels 2 Heatheringtons 0 later this week". He's a big fan of KashKow.
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| Quote: Kosh "Something along the lines of "Here's hoping it will be Rebels 2 Heatheringtons 0 later this week". He's a big fan of KashKow.'"
Probably trying to persuade him to get into bed with him (in a business sense)
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| Quote: Standee "not as stupid as the new Salford mascot, disgusting self adulation.'"
That's about 100% right.
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| I don't see it mentioned on here but as of 2015 only the first 100k of a home grown players salary will count on the cap.
I don't really understand the confusion here with the marquee player rule. Each club declares their marquee player, and then they can't have anymore? I can't really see any loop holes there.
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| Quote: Bal "Should be looking to provide stability to the league IMO, not introduce further pressures.
For me the best thing they could do with the salary cap is too leave it as it is and make players who come from your own youth system exempt while they play for your club. That would encourage suitainable development.'"
As Charlie Sheen says, they have moved in that direction. To make those players [icompletely[/i exempt immediately would only suit a small number of clubs with a good number of well paid homegrown players [iand[/i the ability/willingness to increase their wage spend significantly. While fans of those clubs might, somewhat legitimately, say 'tough', I couldn't imagine it getting passed on a vote.
You also wonder how a good player at Wigan, for example, who originally came through at a Championship club would feel about possibly getting less than a homegrown player of similar quality. You can make a good case for it being an incentive, but the flipside is it [icould[/i, I imagine, be seen as discriminatory.
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| Quote: barham red "very difficult to define 'afford it'. Salford can afford it today as Koucash will pay the money, if he walks tomorrow Salford go bang.'"
I think thats a real valid point. clubs should have a certain amount sustainability if not people like koucash tighten their grip on the game as a whole. Imagine him bringing in one player on then next year he wants another and so on. As the clubs dependence on the backer increases damage caused when they decide to pull the plug is magnifided and also has a knock on effect as other clubs without wealthy backs beg steal and borrow to keep up.
The whole thing is a ticking time bomb.imo
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| Quote: Mild Rover "
You also wonder how a good player at Wigan, for example, who originally came through at a Championship club would feel about possibly getting less than a homegrown player of similar quality. You can make a good case for it being an incentive, but the flipside is it [icould[/i, I imagine, be seen as discriminatory.'"
I think it would give an opportunity for the non home grown player to be paid more or simply get a place in the squad wouldn't it? If you had 5 homegrowns in a squad paid between £25k and £100k each so say £270k overall that would effectively add £270k to the cap which could be used on one marquee player or several squad players that wouldn't otherwise get an opportunity. The players would still get whatever their value was deemed to be whether homegrown or not. Whilst you could argue that the homegrown player could have his wage inflated to create more cap space that would be difficult to do in practice if the intent was not to actually pay that amount to the player in question and generally with the exception of perhaps Salford not be financially viable because the money isn't there.
I agree though that clubs without youngsters coming through will not vote for it so it would probably never see the light of day.
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| Quote: bishops finger "what defines a 'marque signing'?'"
Rovers new marquee signing is the new South Stand. Available commercially for weddings and bar mitvahs.
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| Quote: bishops finger "what defines a 'marque signing'?'"
Someone like Willie Mason or anyone else on whom Billy Smart's Circus tent would look a tight fit
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| Quote: ChrisH "I think it would give an opportunity for the non home grown player to be paid more or simply get a place in the squad wouldn't it? If you had 5 homegrowns in a squad paid between £25k and £100k each so say £270k overall that would effectively add £270k to the cap which could be used on one marquee player or several squad players that wouldn't otherwise get an opportunity. The players would still get whatever their value was deemed to be whether homegrown or not. Whilst you could argue that the homegrown player could have his wage inflated to create more cap space that would be difficult to do in practice if the intent was not to actually pay that amount to the player in question and generally with the exception of perhaps Salford not be financially viable because the money isn't there.'"
It is a debatable point and I think the players as a group would welcome it. But if a club is looking at renewals, and they're at their (expanded cap), if they offer Jonny Homegrown a 40% increase, because that doesn't count and Jimmy O'Batley gets offered nowt extra, despite the club saying they'd like to offer more, I can imagine him taking umbrage.
Quote: ChrisH "I agree though that clubs without youngsters coming through will not vote for it so it would probably never see the light of day.'"
Nor will those with a decent pipeline but no/not much spare cash. Castleford being the obvious, slightly stereotyped, example, but it applies to others. Hull have a few good homegrown players, but I reckon even Pearson's appetite for a ballooning wage bill would be limited.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "
Nor will those with a decent pipeline but no/not much spare cash. Castleford being the obvious, slightly stereotyped, example, but it applies to others. Hull have a few good homegrown players, but I reckon even Pearson's appetite for a ballooning wage bill would be limited.'"
Absolutely , increasing the cap and encouraging people to spend what they haven't got defeats the object of the cap but there is soon going to have to be a "greater good" decision made otherwise there will be no "Elite" competition for the grassroots teams and players to aspire to. In my view standing still isn't an option because we'll lose the talent we have and the best up and coming athletes/players will choose to go where ever the money is. This at least would be an imperfect solution in the spirit of encouraging the clubs to bring young players through rather than Aussies and others at the wrong ends of their careers.
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| So you could pay 1 player £1M a year if you saw fit.
Barking.......the doctor is earning the mane more and more each day.
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