What exactly are you expecting? I'm expecting better than we put in against Crusaders, Wigan and now Salford, chuck in a dire 1st 40 against Cas and a borefest last week against the Bulls. I'm not that impressed with everything right now.

For mine,

Our team ethic is lacking to say the least.

Our play-the-ball - too slow!!
Passing - too slow!!
Defensive Line - too slow!!
No backing up.

These issues, have never improved since Agar took over.

These basic core skills,can be improved with good preparation and good coaching.

Both Huddersfield and Wigan now excel in all these areas, and they havent acquired several international players,
since Brown and Maguire took over.

On current evidence, he's not even an amateur coach

It didnt take Brown or Maguire two seasons, to transform Huddersfield and Wigan.

your chairman needs to get over to aussie.Ask the best in the business who in there opinion is a top up and coming coach with upto date views on the game..and then do everything to sign him up.

IL did and thank god

I cant see it happening this season. I think Mr Rule will let him have the full season to show what HIS players can do.

They'll only give the job to Dennis Moore anyway. Im not saying he's not good enough but thats what i think they'll do if they sack Agar.

You never know he may resign.

Steady!

Gutted!

I watched the wigan v leeds game last night and just thought they played the game at a speed and with an intensity we're unable to. I put it all down to agar. He's not good enough for our great club. I'm sick of watching one out rugby, trying to batter the opposition into submission. Tonight we didn't make one break. We could still be playing and we wouldn't have made one. What a waste of a day and money.

Worst coach in SL. Go now

He hasn't improved any player whatsoever. Looks at Hudds, Brown is now a really potent ball player, Crabtree now looks like a biug tough forward, players like Raleigh have imprved their game. Like you mentioned, Lunt looks to be a cracking player. Hudds still have their limitations as a side but they are very tough to beat and very rarely do they not turn up. It's all down to one man, Nathan Brown.

Wigan look stronger and faster than any other side in the comp. Fielden is completely rejuvenated and every player is playing at a new level. Tomkins the other night for his try, looked like he was resting and yet timed his run to perfection and went straight between two men. He did not need a half back to tell him to do that he simply called the play himself. Defensively they are superb and maintain a really good linespeed througout the match. Again it's all down to one man, McGuire.

There are some really good young coaches aswell as some proven ones in the NRL and I am sure they would be interested in coming over especially with the size of a club like ours and the squad we have aswell as the young players coming through. So lets do the right thing and get one on them. Agar will probably get us into the top 8 and possibly the 6 but he is not the man to turn us into a top side.

I still think players like Horne and Yeaman can improve, infact I am certain of it, these coaches would spot the small things in their game and make them better players aswell as ensure that Briscoe, Hall and Lyne etc reach their potential because personally I am not sure they will under the current set up.

this is the crux, top coaches esp. aussie ones have the ability to work on individual players and make them better players - agar dosn't seem to have this. can't really think on any of our players who have improved a lot as individual players under his stewardship. its all very well saying that its a team game but all the top sides have individuals capable of turning a game with a bit of brilliance or a top individual performance. in our side perhaps only horne is capable of this. long maybe still can but hasnt shown evidence of this yet

As much as i hate to admit it, i think you're spot on. Tonights showing demonstrated they weren't ready mentally and were out-enthused. Is that the players, coach or both. Either way, lets not forget this is now Agar's team so as far as it goes the buck now stops with him.

agree 100% with op, cant fault that pal

add to that
Radford : the biggest plodder in SL, do not renew contract
Yeaman: white elephant , cant pass and was exposed tonight for what he is very average.
Moa : cmon, waste of cap, average at the very best
Tansey: heartless mouse, full back has to have brass uns and he has not!!

AND we missed Cussack didnt we!!!

That's one of my issues, how many times under Agar have we heard 'we didn't turn up with the right attitude'. Okay the players have to take responsibility too but the coaches (not just Agar, but the coaching team) need to take responsibility for this too.

It's not acceptable. Getting beat by a better team is fair enough but getting beat because we were not up for it is inexcusable.

saints - the longy show. Simple as
hudds - good 1st half. Faded in the 2nd. Lucky to win in the end
crusaders - shocking
quins - huffed and puffed and came through against a side with loads of injuries and who won't trouble the 8 this year
cas - apart from one spell after 1/2 time the same assessment of the quins game
wigan - showed us up for what we are
bradford - battered them down the middle in the pouring rain. Lucky their best player was ill or they may have won it in the 1st half
salford - 2nd loss against the bottom 2 sides last season

Probably the least injuries of any side in SL. Slow and ponderous in attack, static in defence. 2009 with less injuries IMO. No new ideas, no real tactics