The loose carry one was a very poor decision

A couple of 50/50s didn't go our way, but I doubt it would have made any difference. Wakey always in control and the scoreline flattered us.

No issue with it hitting Gaskell on the head but for me he took Barron out without the ball. Gaskell seemed to be going for an Oscar the way he held his had as though he’d been hit by a brick. Thought the one when Gaskell lost the ball with a loose carry was poor call too and has that been anywhere else if the pitch it would more than likely been given as a knock on. Wouldn’t have made any difference to us either decision as we never looked liked being in the contest and doubt we’ll win again this season.

I sat in Stadium Australia in 2018 at the end of a great holiday watching a youthful FC push St George to the hooter (yes ok it was a pre season friendly for them) and naively sat thinking we had a great crop of young players coming through and a bright future.

Since then those young players have either faded into the Championship or early retirement or become bench warmers. We then had an injury run and settled into this pattern of dropping off at the end of the season and here we are 4.5 years and 2 different head coaches on.

Complete mismanagement of the club and while I'm forever grateful for his investment Pearson has to take responsibility.

Think you're going a bit far here. I think Brett was a good choice in the circumstances if we were looking for a young up-and-coming coach. Unfortunately, Brett does not have "IT" so the club need to cut it's losses and move on... Painful for everyone, but that's life. I believe that the club are doing everything possible to improve the youth system.

Back home. TV and Sky box switched on. Press green for planner and yellow for delete.

God knows how many times I've done that in the last few years.

We haven't had an experienced Head Coach since Kear, it was a gamble for Pearson to hire another assistant after Gentle, Radford and Last he has to take responsibility.

Wakey not even that good. Would have been another 50+ against a good team.

Without Connor in the backs = Nothing
Without Satae in the forwards = Nothing

Clueless players, clueless coaching.

Sorry, but he had done absolutely nothing at Wests to class him as a up and coming coach.

Really felt for your young winger tonight.

He was unlucky to be opposite Murphy who was head and shoulders last year academy competitions standout winger and has pretty much got the better of most seasoned wingers in SL opposite him this season.

The one think he can take from it is that Murphy made a few errors on his debut. He has been excellent since so the young lad hopefully is looked after with some words of encouragement by Hull.

Though Murphy I watched in academy and he’s like a new Tom Johnstone.

Personally thought Wakey were average today and we took the foot off the gas that last quarter. Not sure what’s happening at Hull. The amount of injuries though have to play a part.

True, but to be fair to Gale he did chip in with 2 try assists off his boot tonight.....but only because the Wakey defenders made an absolute horlicks of them both.
Thought his kicking game was below average again tonight, same as in most of the games he's appeared for us since signing.

The only good to come out of this is my bank account rising after the winnings
Even from Melbourne you can recognise a team low on confidence and a coach that is impotent
the season will just fall away again and then hot air re next season
Brett needs to leave but AP won’t fire him

crazy crazy

TBH Hodgson will play him in about 6 positions, then wonder why the defensive line and attack is struggling.

Because it accidentally hit his head that makes it "ok"... the fact he was running straight at the man and not looking at the ball makes no difference it seems...

Thought young Litten went well, his one on one try saving tackle in his first stint was faultless...similar to when a young Richard Horne made his debut at headingley and took down a rampaging Darren Fleary...here's hoping young Litten has a similar career ahead (minus the serious injury in 200icon_cool.gif

Gaskell has previous for play acting as well. Seem to remember him doing it against the Dobbins a couple of years back.

I’ll be honest, rugby league in its present form is in a death spiral. Refereeing, at super league level, is contributing to that.

Noticed AP was at the front of the West Stand, overseeing the warm ups, before the game

Gentle who got us to a cup final in 2 seasons

And radford won us 2 cups

Your talking like we've been relegated 4 times in 10 years get a grip!

Coach isn't the problem

Getting rid of the deadwood is the factor

Actually if you Google the laws of rugby league and look at rugby-league.com website.

Go down to knock on and forward pass it clearly states:

“Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.”

Is this wrong or do 2 referees clearly not know a basic rule?

Tough watch last night, two very poor sides in which Wakey threatened to blow us away yet again. It shouldn’t have to be applauded that our players played for 80 minutes, but thats how low it feels like the standards have fallen with this team.

Injuries obviously haven’t help our situation by any means, but as I’ve mentioned previously, we seem to seriously suffer more then most in recent years, is it coincidence? Or is there more to it. I don’t know, but it has to be something to be looked at going forward.

Sadly another season is going to fizzle out just like most have since 2018. It’s horrible seeing our club like this, not making the play offs is unforgivable for a squad of this cap size.

The one positive for next season is the injection of pace we should hopefully see from the likes of Hoy/Trueman. It was painful watching how slow and to be honest awful our players are at passing a ball. McNamara got a bit of stick last night but there’s not much he can do at second receiver when it’s taken as long as it did for the ball to reach him. That’s where our problems lie in attack for me.

On a final note, this is a club absolutely desperate for some leadership on the pitch. I don’t look at any of those players and see them as someone the players look to for inspiration. Naturally it should be the likes of Taylor/Houghton/Gale, but I just don’t see it. A minichiello esc signing would be the perfect use of our final quota spot

Basically, you are determining success in the Challenge Cup is the barometer of Gentle and Radford's tenure..
Ignoring the fact,both had a win ratio in the League of below 50%..
How many of the deadwood players ,have played in the recent thrashings ?

Cup runs are nice but in the modern format means you've won about 3 games a season. League games are where the club makes its money and performances have been well below standard. We've finished above 6th twice since 2007 and even then we flopped in the playoffs when Old Trafford was in our sights.

Worth noting also that the video ref last night was Jack Smith. He was TJ last week against Saints and was on the side where Hopoate threw his forward pass.

Thought he was going to be a decent ref when he first appeared on the scene but he has become as bad as the rest?

Also doing chopping motions with his hands after the game conversing with James Clark and him nodding back to AP. Hodgson looked like someone who knew he was in for the chop, stood talking to Ellis, at the end of the game. Could have sworn his eyes were very moist, almost tears. Who knows.

The law is to stop players deliberately heading the ball forward and was introduced to stop players avoiding being tackled with the ball. In this instance the ball hit the head rather than the head hitting the ball and so was play on. The decision was correct.