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| FWIW I have all my posts deleted on the Board that cannot be named. Anything referring to Losing but avoiding getting beat is deleted so that no one can ever mention the
Lost but remain Unbeaten mantra
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Such fabulous irony from a club shackled to 80s nostalgia
Indeed, this is the club that has a bar named 10-5 and a clock stopped at 6:42 and he has the gall to say we live in the past!!!
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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "FWIW I have all my posts deleted on the Board that cannot be named. Anything referring to Losing but avoiding getting beat is deleted so that no one can ever mention the
Lost but remain Unbeaten mantra'"
This is untrue. The original thread was merely locked, and is available here:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=612882
You can revisit any time you wish, or share with friends or family as an example of how witty you are. Mild Rover accepts no liability for the outcomes of any such assessments.
Further exploration of the exact same theme in the exact same way are thus superfluous.
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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "FWIW I have all my posts deleted on the Board that cannot be named. Anything referring to Losing but avoiding getting beat is deleted so that no one can ever mention the
Lost but remain Unbeaten mantra'"
This is untrue. The original thread was merely locked, and is available here:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=612882
You can revisit any time you wish, or share with friends or family as an example of how witty you are. Mild Rover accepts no liability for the outcomes of any such assessments.
Further exploration of the exact same theme in the exact same way are thus superfluous.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "6:42 - what a gateway to sustained success that was
To be fair, in relative terms, it was. The next year we had our highest finish since 1987. The year after that our best since being champions in 1985. The year after that we won a first top-flight play-off since... well I suppose it depends whether you count the old Premiership or not, but for a long time, either way.
Although things started to drift after that, coming in 8th-10th isn’t that bad compared to what Rovers fans have faced in the past. Excluding the War League, we didn’t finish higher than 12th between 1931 and 1961. We only finished above 8th twice in the 60s, and were relegated in 1974. They were mostly bigger leagues, so we were still sometimes winning a reasonable proportion of games, admittedly.
Basically, between golden eras in the mid-1920s and the late-1970s to mid-1980s, it was more rain than sun. With the occasional Yorkshire Cup along the way. And then there was the tumult of the 90s, with the two likely paths seeming to be managed decline and catastrophic decline.
Compared to most of that, I think 6-42 was one signal of the start of a little silver era.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "To be fair, in relative terms, it was. The next year we had our highest finish since 1987. The year after that our best since being champions in 1985. The year after that we won a first top-flight play-off since... well I suppose it depends whether you count the old Premiership or not, but for a long time, either way.
Although things started to drift after that, coming in 8th-10th isn’t that bad compared to what Rovers fans have faced in the past. Excluding the War League, we didn’t finish higher than 12th between 1931 and 1961. We only finished above 8th twice in the 60s, and were relegated in 1974. They were mostly bigger leagues, so we were still sometimes winning a reasonable proportion of games, admittedly.
Basically, between golden eras in the mid-1920s and the late-1970s to mid-1980s, it was more rain than sun. With the occasional Yorkshire Cup along the way. And then there was the tumult of the 90s, with the two likely paths seeming to be managed decline and catastrophic decline.
Compared to most of that, I think 6-42 was one signal of the start of a little silver era.'"
Jesus. The bar's lower than I thought for you guys. One play-off win against Agar in 40 odd years and you're happy-clapping. Still, as you say, it's all relative.
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Quote: Mrs Barista "Jesus. The bar's lower than I thought for you guys. One play-off win against Agar in 40 odd years and you're happy-clapping. Still, as you say, it's all relative.'"
Tbf, there’s always going to be more clubs than glory.
Bradford Northern didn’t win the Championship until 1980 (and look at them now). Leeds only won 3 before SL. Wigan have won it a remarkable 21 times, but went 27 years without one between 1960 and 1987, during which time they were relegated. Saints had to wait 21 years between 1975 and 1996, having to watch Wigan dominate towards the end of that period. Nobody from outside that group has won it since 1990.
Hudds still have the 4th most triumphs, but the last came in 1962. Warrington remain behind Oldham and Halifax, and have been waiting since 1955. Hull have won one in 60 years, and Cas have yet to break their duck. Most fans spend most of their lives trying to make the best of things, grasping any scraps of success that fate throws them.
In that spirit, I hope we update this to include the title we won last year:
www.hullkr.co.uk/the-club/club-honours-records/
Also need to update the record defeat, mind you.
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Quote: Mrs Barista "Jesus. The bar's lower than I thought for you guys. One play-off win against Agar in 40 odd years and you're happy-clapping. Still, as you say, it's all relative.'"
Tbf, there’s always going to be more clubs than glory.
Bradford Northern didn’t win the Championship until 1980 (and look at them now). Leeds only won 3 before SL. Wigan have won it a remarkable 21 times, but went 27 years without one between 1960 and 1987, during which time they were relegated. Saints had to wait 21 years between 1975 and 1996, having to watch Wigan dominate towards the end of that period. Nobody from outside that group has won it since 1990.
Hudds still have the 4th most triumphs, but the last came in 1962. Warrington remain behind Oldham and Halifax, and have been waiting since 1955. Hull have won one in 60 years, and Cas have yet to break their duck. Most fans spend most of their lives trying to make the best of things, grasping any scraps of success that fate throws them.
In that spirit, I hope we update this to include the title we won last year:
www.hullkr.co.uk/the-club/club-honours-records/
Also need to update the record defeat, mind you.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Tbf, there’s always going to be more clubs than glory.
Bradford Northern didn’t win the Championship until 1980 (and look at them now). Leeds only won 3 before SL. Wigan have won it a remarkable 21 times, but went 27 years without one between 1960 and 1987, during which time they were relegated. Saints had to wait 21 years between 1975 and 1996, having to watch Wigan dominate towards the end of that period. Nobody from outside that group has won it since 1990.
Hudds still have the 4th most triumphs, but the last came in 1962. Warrington remain behind Oldham and Halifax, and have been waiting since 1955. Hull have won one in 60 years, and Cas have yet to break their duck. Most fans spend most of their lives trying to make the best of things, grasping any scraps of success that fate throws them.
In that spirit, I hope we update this to include the title we won last year:
I guess in relative terms we're just supremely blessed to have had 3 Challenge Cup wins and a Grand Final within living memory of most of our fanbase. The six consecutive derby wins is a small but rather lovely cherry on the icing on the cake.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I guess in relative terms we're just supremely blessed to have had 3 Challenge Cup wins and a Grand Final within living memory of most of our fanbase. The six consecutive derby wins is a small but rather lovely cherry on the icing on the cake.
Exactly - this is, in absolute terms, a historically good time to be a Hull fan. I’m sure a fan of Leeds, Saints or Wigan might arch a brow at ‘supremely’, when you are still using a final you lost 12 years ago to proclaim the wonder of it all, but they are your successes and they are beautiful to you. Similarly, your put downs don’t diminish our own fond memories.
Snide backhanded praise aside, I know people complain about the faults of Super League, and even Eddie has stopped saying it just keeps on getting better every year, but it is a much more even competition now than in its first decade. Fair enough Leeds seem to win the Grand Final more often than not, but Hull and Wire’s cup wins, and Wire, Hudds and Cas winning the LLS make this the most interesting era since the switch to summer, IMO. The glass ceiling is cracking.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Exactly - this is, in absolute terms, a historically good time to be a Hull fan. I’m sure a fan of Leeds, Saints or Wigan might arch a brow at ‘supremely’, when you are still using a final you lost 12 years ago to proclaim the wonder of it all, but they are your successes and they are beautiful to you. Similarly, your put downs don’t diminish our own fond memories.
Snide backhanded praise aside, I know people complain about the faults of Super League, and even Eddie has stopped saying it just keeps on getting better every year, but it is a much more even competition now than in its first decade. Fair enough Leeds seem to win the Grand Final more often than not, but Hull and Wire’s cup wins, and Wire, Hudds and Cas winning the LLS make this the most interesting era since the switch to summer, IMO. The glass ceiling is cracking.'"
This is a great time to be a Hull fan, particularly when you're an eternal pessimist like me and have been confounded for the two solid years since Kirk Yeaman slipped the ball to Shaul in front of your open-mouthed East stand and lit the blue touchpaper. I still feel, like Gary Barlow, that this is someone else's dream. The only downside is that I don't think the sheer exhilaration of Tackle 52 can be eclipsed. Even if our moment in the sun is over there are enough special moments at the highest level over the last couple of seasons to keep us warm for a good while.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I guess in relative terms we're just supremely blessed to have had 3 Challenge Cup wins and a Grand Final within living memory of most of our fanbase. The six consecutive derby wins is a small but rather lovely cherry on the icing on the cake.
You have been blessed really like MR said some clubs fans wait a lifetime to win something my first ever game was the 1980 cup final so you could say my time supporting peaked in my first ever game and since then I have seen league championship wins and various cup wins but they all came between 80-86 so from 14 to now I've seen very little success really
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| Quote: fun time frankie "You have been blessed really like MR said some clubs fans wait a lifetime to win something my first ever game was the 1980 cup final so you could say my time supporting peaked in my first ever game and since then I have seen league championship wins and various cup wins but they all came between 80-86 so from 14 to now I've seen very little success really'"
This is right really, we have been blessed as supporters in recent times. A kid who is a hull fan of Say 10-12 years old now may have seen the best times in the next 30 years. But I hope not and that we as a club can build on the recent successes and kick on.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "This is a great time to be a Hull fan, particularly when you're an eternal pessimist like me and have been confounded for the two solid years since Kirk Yeaman slipped the ball to Shaul in front of your open-mouthed East stand and lit the blue touchpaper. I still feel, like Gary Barlow, that this is someone else's dream. The only downside is that I don't think the sheer exhilaration of Tackle 52 can be eclipsed. Even if our moment in the sun is over there are enough special moments at the highest level over the last couple of seasons to keep us warm for a good while.'"
So doesn't this say some fans including yourself are in exactly the same mould as the 10-5 and 6-42 Rovers fans?
Winning at Wembley in 2016 wasn't for me anywhere near as meaningful or emotional as it was for most, I just think as I always did that the not winning at Wembley thing was a load of toss, utterly meaningless. Cardiff in 2005 as indeed did 1982 mean far more to me than the wins in '16 & '17. My pinnacle I guess was the 1983 season, 2005 was very special because of where we were as a team and how we played on the day.
For you and others the '16 win, Houghton's tackle are the pinnacle as you've said, so don't you think that in exactly the same way some/most Rovers fans will be in exactly the same boat with the 10-5 derby final win being the pinnacle and difficult to eclipse?
20 or 30 years time and you could be hanging on to the self same thing
I don't even get why you are so bothered what that lot hang on to to be honest.
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| for me and others of a certain age, 2016 was an emotional day imo never to be beaten, that's not to say I still don't get wound up every game, on fri I was frantic, but the feeling of 2016 will never be beaten for me, but its gone and I enjoyed 2017 more tbh, for me id love to get to Wembley and get the treble for others its the grand final,i guess it depends a lot on age group as well,
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| Maybe. As you say I think you’re in a minority of believing winning twice at Wembley was completely meaningless. I guess we could still be harking back to it in 40 years (well, not me personally as I’m unlikely to be around then!) but it would be disappointing to think it would signal we’d essentially done nothing since other than oscillate between the first and second tiers.
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