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| Quote: Jake the Peg "email pearson and tell him why'"
What is his email address please?
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| Quote: Kosh "Assuming Rardford is still in post on Monday morning we have the answer to the thread title. It seems that nothing short of relegation will be bad enough.'"
If Castleford open up on us on Thursday, live on TV, in front of a small home crowd, and those there get on Radford's back noisily, and he still doesn't get the push, then I make you right.
At the moment it's not too late. If he starts actually getting rid of Crooks, Lineham, Green, Whiting etc then he's starting to do lasting damage that will take time to recover from.
Big moment Thursday night.
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| Don't think I could have chosen a better season to come to Australia for
FWIW, I'm undecided on the whole Radford situation. I never wanted him as our coach in the first place, purely because I didn't think he was ready. This season has shown that he is way out of his depth, however I aren't going to 'bag" him for it. One thing he will show is a lot of heart for the club, which we've arguable missed for some time. That doesn't make him a good coach, and I'd rather a good coach than a likeable coach, but I genuinely believe he's trying all he can to make us a better team. It's not his fault that his best isn't good enough! We need a better coach to progress, however I think Pryce and Sneyd are what we've cried out for for years.
Radford wasn't and isn't the answer, same with some of our players, but I aren't going to get personal like some do on here. It's embarrassing.
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| Quote: tommyfromhull "FWIW, I'm undecided on the whole Radford situation. I never wanted him as our coach in the first place, purely because I didn't think he was ready. This season has shown that he is way out of his depth, however I aren't going to 'bag" him for it. One thing he will show is a lot of heart for the club, which we've arguable missed for some time. That doesn't make him a good coach, and I'd rather a good coach than a likeable coach, but I genuinely believe he's trying all he can to make us a better team. It's not his fault that his best isn't good enough! We need a better coach to progress, however I think Pryce and Sneyd are what we've cried out for for years.'"
Like you I didn't want Radders to be our coach (in fact I didn't want us to get rid of Gentle) because I didn't think he would be ready and I'd say he's proven my fears to be correct this year. Maybe someday he'll be ready but after only two years as an assistant I knew he wouldn't be. The Hull FC job is a pressure cooker because rightly or wrongly we all have expectations. It is not a job for a novice and we're paying the price for that now and I'm not seeing any signs that it will all suddenly come good next year. Pryce and Sneyd are great signings in my eyes but we can't pin our hopes on these two. They will not magically transform the team. We need to improve other areas of the squad along with them. But most importantly, we need an experienced coach. Not another assistant looking to try their luck at a head job but someone that has actual head coach experience. I'd say the clubs been crying out for that almost as much as some half backs.
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| The first thing Pearson should have done was bring in a top level coach (Maybe his inexperience in rugby league was the reason for this). Saying that I don't believe Peter Gentle should have been sacked. He was certainly a man manager with a more the decent amount of brain power. I'm done waiting for success now, im 20 years old and got my first pass in 2006, after my step dad got me involved in rugby. That first season I was spoilt with the rugby we was playing. Since then its been the same boring brand until Gentle came in....
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| I tried that after last season and Adam said stick with us it will be better next year. i did and bought 3 passes & shirts.
This year he says everyone is trying their best i see it everyday.
Well if this is the best they can serve up god help us all.
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| For what it's worth, here's my two pennies worth.
Like most others I think Radford is currently out of his depth, and was promoted to Head Coach way too early in his career. Maybe the right time would've been to serve another 3/4 seasons as an assistant, then make the step up - but hindsight is a wonderful thing afterall. Whilst defensively we've been fairly good, in attack it's been very poor and his man-management skills apparently are lacking.
In roughly equal measures to the decision to appoint Radford, is the poor recruitment that we've seen under Pearson's tenure. Not every signing has been poor, and you can always expect the odd one not to work out, but we seem to have a big proportion of failed signings.
Just this year, we've had Pitts, McDonnell, Arundel, Crooks and Miller have had virtually no impact on our season whatsoever, and ultimately we have x amount of the cap not on the field. I think Radford does have a point when he mentioned our salary cap management, although that in no way excuses the performance at the weekend.
We also saw some decent, senior players leave at the end of 2013 (Tickle, O'Meley, Lynch, Briscoe, Holdsworth), and ineffectively replaced. The kicker situation was a farce, and we still don't have a halfback. Holdsworth wasn't great, but I reckon Radford would swap any of the current incumbents for him if he could.
The point I'm trying (probably badly) to make, is that Radford as our Head Coach is a problem and not working, but I think it's only a proportion of a much bigger problem that's festering within the club, ultimately at board level.
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "The point I'm trying (probably badly) to make, is that Radford as our Head Coach is a problem and not working, but I think it's only a proportion of a much bigger problem that's festering within the club, ultimately at board level.'"
Agreed. Pearson's done great BTS with investing money into facilities and the like but there's certainly a lot to be desired on the playing side and appointments which is largely down to his lack of rugby knowledge.
Don't get me wrong, I think we should get rid of Radford as I don't think it's working out. But that isn't suddenly going to make everything all right. There are issues at the club that will still need to be fixed.
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "The point I'm trying (probably badly) to make, is that Radford as our Head Coach is a problem and not working, but I think it's only a proportion of a much bigger problem that's festering within the club, ultimately at board level.'"
Just to point out there is no board at Hull, Adam owns the club 100%. To put most of the blame at his door is extremely unfair. He trusted an assistant coach (to the best team in the world) to recruit on his behalf and that's as safe a bet as you can get really. Gentle got the recruitment wrong but at the time of appointing him, I can't remember seeing a single objection on here to him? So to be fair to Adam, nobody could have foreseen and therefore predicted that his recruitment would be so poor.
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| Quote: Doc Brown "Agreed. Pearson's done great BTS with investing money into facilities and the like but there's certainly a lot to be desired on the playing side and appointments which is largely down to his lack of rugby knowledge.
Don't get me wrong, I think we should get rid of Radford as I don't think it's working out. But that isn't suddenly going to make everything all right. There are issues at the club that will still need to be fixed.'"
Getting a coach in who had the first idea what he was doing would be a start though
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| Quote: fcandy "Just to point out there is no board at Hull, Adam owns the club 100%. To put most of the blame at his door is extremely unfair. '"
I'm not sure on the relevance the ownership of the club has in relation to what I said? I mentioned board level, not shareholders. The directors who have an impact on the playing side of things, CEO, DOR, etc - the people who sit around a table and disuss the direction and strategy of our club.
Nor did I lay most of the blame at his door(?).
Quote: fcandy "He trusted an assistant coach (to the best team in the world) to recruit on his behalf and that's as safe a bet as you can get really. Gentle got the recruitment wrong but at the time of appointing him, I can't remember seeing a single objection on here to him? So to be fair to Adam, nobody could have foreseen and therefore predicted that his recruitment would be so poor. '"
Again, I didn't solely blame Pearson, I blame those that are/were in positions of power and decision-making since he bought the club.
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I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address tellus@hullfc.com
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I've just e mailed the club letting them know of my dissatisfaction at our current plight and coaching appointment and to inform them I will not be renewing my season pass.
Pedantic it may be but I just felt I had to try do something positive instead of just chuntering on here. Used this address tellus@hullfc.com
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "For what it's worth, here's my two pennies worth.
Like most others I think Radford is currently out of his depth, and was promoted to Head Coach way too early in his career. Maybe the right time would've been to serve another 3/4 seasons as an assistant, then make the step up - but hindsight is a wonderful thing afterall. Whilst defensively we've been fairly good, in attack it's been very poor and his man-management skills apparently are lacking.
In roughly equal measures to the decision to appoint Radford, is the poor recruitment that we've seen under Pearson's tenure. Not every signing has been poor, and you can always expect the odd one not to work out, but we seem to have a big proportion of failed signings.
Just this year, we've had Pitts, McDonnell, Arundel, Crooks and Miller have had virtually no impact on our season whatsoever, and ultimately we have x amount of the cap not on the field. I think Radford does have a point when he mentioned our salary cap management, although that in no way excuses the performance at the weekend.
We also saw some decent, senior players leave at the end of 2013 (Tickle, O'Meley, Lynch, Briscoe, Holdsworth), and ineffectively replaced. The kicker situation was a farce, and we still don't have a halfback. Holdsworth wasn't great, but I reckon Radford would swap any of the current incumbents for him if he could.
The point I'm trying (probably badly) to make, is that Radford as our Head Coach is a problem and not working, but I think it's only a proportion of a much bigger problem that's festering within the club, ultimately at board level.'"
I have been one of the biggest critics regarding the impact that McRae had using Howes as almost an exclusive supply chain of players. However, I can't buy the argument that the recruitment has placed us in this position.
Many players are signed each season by all clubs, some work out and some don't. I have no idea if Pitts was signed on an excessive contract but one thing I do know is many on here were very impressed with his form at some stage last season. Just compare the signing of Carvell, which Radford was responsible for, and the contract he will have been on and tell me if Pitts would have been any less of a player to have in the squad.
My point is maybe some of the salary cap could have been better spent, but in reality we are talking about 20% of the cap. I am confident in thinking that Cas are spending way less than 20% under the cap and so are Wakefield. It annoys me that blaming the tools left at his disposal has turned Radford in to an apologist who doesn't seem to want to say sorry but I am not getting anything like what is capable from this squad.
If there are issues and weak areas in a team, play to the strengths that the team has. I see no tactical sense and structured play that would win games we are narrowly losing.
Radford was brought in to correct what was seen as player power and weak management. Well it seems to me that all Radford changed was to call players out in public and treat them like children with banishment to Doncaster. I feel like the so called soft approach of Gentle was misread as weakness when in reality it was probably good man management. You work with what you have and any problem players are slowly moved on while you still get the best possible from them, especially if they are key players.
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| Let us know the reply you get,it might be the same as mine stick with us.
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