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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "He clearly doesn't compare them as players. His point is that some players struggle to adapt to a new country, a new culture. Not really relevant if they are internationals or have minimal NRL experience.'"


Of course it's relevant, if it a quality player comes over and under performs it's a worry and settling in might be a reason.
If a rubbish player comes over and is rubbish it's surely just confirmation that he's rubbish.

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I see Balmforth is playing for the reserves team this week, I get the feeling Smith doesn’t really rate but I think he is exactly what is needed in the first team. Someone who can create and has a strong running game.

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Quote: Smiffy27 "As an admirer of Hull FC & Tony Smith for years I have watched the nightmare start to the season.
I reckon any coach in the world would have struggled with what's been thrown at you. It will get better. Good luck.
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I think that speaks volumes from a neutral. I think it will get better just not soon enough. Lucky there’s no relegation this year which is why culture not results is the focus

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Quote: TnT "I think that speaks volumes from a neutral. I think it will get better just not soon enough. Lucky there’s no relegation this year which is why culture not results is the focus'"


People going on about culture.Its just an excuse for a team that has too many average players
What is culture in your opinion?

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Quote: barham red "Of course it's relevant, if it a quality player comes over and under performs it's a worry and settling in might be a reason.
If a rubbish player comes over and is rubbish it's surely just confirmation that he's rubbish.'"


Not many players make the number of NRL appearances Okunbor has and most SL players wouldn’t make a single appearance. why was he picked for so long, it Not like his dad was coaching the side.

Probably because he’s not as bad as people are making out. It’s a very valid comparison.

Neither player hit their relative peaks immediately but TS has faith that we’ll see more from Okunbor like he did from SKD and we did from satae/Carlos. Like Wigan did from field & Mago.

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Quote: bonaire "People going on about culture.Its just an excuse for a team that has too many average players
What is culture in your opinion?'"


This I don’t get, culture only matters when you’re losing. Hence why no one cared in 2016/2017 when we had a poor culture but a strong togetherness & ability.

It’s also funny TS talking about culture when he’s sign d
Okunbor & Ashworth who have a dodgy history
SKD & Minchiella who also did

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Quote: Hullrealist "Not many players make the number of NRL appearances Okunbor has and most SL players wouldn’t make a single appearance. why was he picked for so long, it Not like his dad was coaching the side.

Probably because he’s not as bad as people are making out. It’s a very valid comparison.

Neither player hit their relative peaks immediately but TS has faith that we’ll see more from Okunbor like he did from SKD and we did from satae/Carlos. Like Wigan did from field & Mago.'"


46 nrl appearances is only two seasons worth, not really that many? Also, not as if the bulldogs are a top NRL team with an excellent culture? Evans and Reynolds both had 100+ NRL games but were absolute duds, I can't see Okunbor becoming a top player for us unfortunately, I think this is about as good as it gets

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The fact that Tony Smith is defending himself (regardless of the fact it's largely incomprehensible) at least suggests he's feeling the heat and bad will of the fans.

I had been getting the feeling he felt Teflon coated and over assured of his position. I do hope fan frustration is a deafening sound and dominating the halls and offices of Hull FC.

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Quote: Steve0 "46 nrl appearances is only two seasons worth, not really that many? Also, not as if the bulldogs are a top NRL team with an excellent culture? Evans and Reynolds both had 100+ NRL games but were absolute duds, I can't see Okunbor becoming a top player for us unfortunately, I think this is about as good as it gets'"


Jai Field made 17 appearances in 4 seasons. So 46 in 5 seasons in the NRL does look good on paper for a player coming to SL. He looks pretty average to me, but I think the majority of our team are playing way below their potential.

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I personally think Okunbor is getting overly flacked on here. Granted he isnt the best player in the world but only 2-3 games ago he was one of our better players. The whole teams a dud and with no halfs the second row isnt gonna be great either is it. Lanes doing nothing either,

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Quote: Sebasteeno "I personally think Okunbor is getting overly flacked on here. Granted he isnt the best player in the world but only 2-3 games ago he was one of our better players. The whole teams a dud and with no halfs the second row isnt gonna be great either is it. Lanes doing nothing either,'"


Lane is our stand in nine Seb as we are desperate and really short of nines in the team.
We only have three in the team of 13.
How can Tinkering Tony turn us around when we only have three nines in the team

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Culture is about your environment. It’s about standards and attitude. A sense of pride and professionalism. It’s about the way the club conducts itself on and off the pitch.

I say the word club here because it’s not just about the players or the coaches, it’s about everything and everyone involved. That is why the clubs like Saints and Wigan constantly compete. Sure, they often have the best coaches and players but the clubs themselves create a positive setup from top to bottom that creates a mission statement of sortsTo be honest I’m just glad the season is finished and over. It’s been an unbelievably challenging time since the Wakefield game when you know you have nothing to play for. At that point you’re a double glazing salesman trying to sell poor windows to your team really, knowing that there is nothing to play for. Bring on 2019.'"


This was Radders at the end of the 2018 season. We all recall the difficulties he had that year with injuries but this is quite telling really of what the attitude and culture was at the club back then and perhaps indicative of what it still is now: that as soon as there’s no chance of competing for a trophy, they’re done.

It’s a bit… defeatist to me. It’s also something I don’t believe would be allowed to happen for too long at the top clubs, at the ambitious clubs. They would demand pride in the shirt, demand effort week in and week out regardless of what is or isn’t at stake. It’s what allows them to regroup season after season and compete again.

And as I say, it runs throughout these clubs. I’ve listened to that House of League podcast tonight and by God it sounds like a depressing state of affairs at the club. Going after players no one else was interested in, the state of the training facilities etc. We are where we are now because of the club and decisions made as a whole and that’s not likely to change any time soon. So given the state we are in, would anyone actually be able to do a better job that Tony Smith at this point? Could the club attract anyone better at this time? I have my doubts. Unless there's changes all over, a new coach is just likely to fail once again.

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Quote: Steve0 "46 nrl appearances is only two seasons worth, not really that many? Also, not as if the bulldogs are a top NRL team with an excellent culture? Evans and Reynolds both had 100+ NRL games but were absolute duds, I can't see Okunbor becoming a top player for us unfortunately, I think this is about as good as it gets'"


Id honestly prefer a player who has barely played at one of the top teams like Penrith, Brisbane etc to one who has been in an unsuccssful team at Canterbury, Wests, Gold Coast etc. We seem to import players from the NRL verisons of HullFC

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Smiths a dinosaur, finished in coaching, Stanley Gene wtaf is he doing at our club? But the problem is ultimately not these two - its the true cancer at the club - Adam Pearson!

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More blind faith utterances ngs from Smith in the local rag today.

I do appreciate he's between a rock and hard place in terms of what he says and how it's received at the minute, but I do take objection to separating fans at the minute.

He's basically said most fans are supportive and well wishing and others are being noisy and counter-productive. I guess I fall into the latter.

I would say I've been driven to be "out spoken" as he puts it, but because I invest in the club (to the same extent most fans do) and feedback honestly on what is returned. If it makes him feel better when I go out out, eat food and dine I do the same thing; invest my money and expect something in return.

He's being far to delicate. He took on a high profile job that is very public facing and no doubt offer very good renumeration.

I've held my tongue for nearly two years; which is fair.

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