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| Quote: Chris71 "To be honest I think BH has to take a big chunk of the blame with his selection for yesterday, his use of the interchanges again very questionable and the fact that even with the opportunity of half time nothing seemed to have been changed in terms game plan or demanding the players improved their line speed.
At half time surprisingly we were still in the game despite the shocking forst half performance yet we still found a way to throw the game away in the 2nd half.
Not putting Lovodua on sooner was criminal and for BH to sit watching the debacle and not bring him on was just crazy.'"
Yup, cant argue with that.
I hate singling out individuals, and he wasn't the worst yesterday, but Jordan Johnstone playing 60 mins at LF, after Fash put a great shift in there only last week, and with the likes of Lovodua on the bench, is nothing short of baffling. Don't doubt his effort, but a club of our size and ambition needs more than just effort and I just don't think he's got it.
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| Quote: Rocknrolla69er "Well Reading one write up and seen a lot question and mention attitudes, they compared Houghton stint as lethargic whereas Lovodua brought zip and energy, surely he has to now start.
Another was Shaul who was exposed badly in defense, its the same players who alot on here have called out in the past year, yet here they are starting when we have better alternatives.
Either be brave and drop a couple of hometown favourites or keep putting them in and expecting change.
I will say when Carlos, Macintosh, Mau, Cator and Galr are all back, the ones I think aren't good enough won't be anywhere near the match day squad.'"
It was a total poop show and personally for me Houghton offered very little and was pretty much ineffective and our right hand side defensively was awful. If BH doesn't change things for the Leeds game then I really question his ability to coach the team. I don't think many come out that game with any credit to be fair as Houghton wasn't the only one and I'm not singling him out but its the fact Lovodua was sat on the bench for so long and BH had the option available to make a change yet failed to do so until far too late.
Yes we had players missing but so did Cas yet they steamrolled us completely it was verging on embarrassing.
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| Still got too many players who aren't performing and are taking up a big chunk of salary, Reynolds, Shaul and Houghton.
Add to this fringe players that aren't good enough and a couple of youngsters who aren't quite ready, as soon as we have a few injuries we aren't good enough.
Our forwards don't do enough work in attack, we seem to still rely on backs do the hard work, your best prop should be taking the ball up more than 8 times, compare this to other teams main props
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Sate should be doing 15 a game minimum, but we prefer to use weak player like Shaul.
Only one forward getting into double figures is embarrassing, looking at the teams, we should have been using our forwards to battle them down the middle
Add to this, our most dynamic player not coming onto the 50 minute, your hooker gets sinbinned and you bring on JJ for Satae, just madness.
Hodgson has his tactics and subs all wrong and unless he improve, it will cost him his job.
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| Quote: Chris71 "It was a total poop show and personally for me Houghton offered very little and was pretty much ineffective and our right hand side defensively was awful. If BH doesn't change things for the Leeds game then I really question his ability to coach the team. I don't think many can come out that game with any credit to be fair.
Yes we had players missing but so did Cas yet they steamrolled us completely it was verging on embarrassing.'"
I would have to watch the trys again, but I thought Mcnamara was at fault for 3 trys defensively yesterday.
I wouldn't mind that if he offered some threat but he doesn't, issue is we don't have much other options at halfback right now, could go with Shaul at FB and Connor and 6, but don't think that improves us at all.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Still got too many players who aren't performing and are taking up a big chunk of salary, Reynolds, Shaul and Houghton.
Add to this fringe players that aren't good enough and a couple of youngsters who aren't quite ready, as soon as we have a few injuries we aren't good enough.
Our forwards don't do enough work in attack, we seem to still rely on backs do the hard work, your best prop should be taking the ball up more than 8 times, compare this to other teams main props
Chris Hill 18
Luke Yates 16
Walmsley 16
Westerman 22
Mikolaj Oledzki 15
Fifita 14
Sate should be doing 15 a game minimum, but we prefer to use weak player like Shaul.
Only one forward getting into double figures is embarrassing, looking at the teams, we should have been using our forwards to battle them down the middle
Add to this, our most dynamic player not coming onto the 50 minute, your hooker gets sinbinned and you bring on JJ for Satae, just madness.
Hodgson has his tactics and subs all wrong and unless he improve, it will cost him his job.'"
That's why I said the BH really has to take a big chunk of the blame for yesterday p15s poor performance. Evans hardly got played which to some extent I can understand but if you are going give him limited time then why also limit the time for another player on the bench in Lovodua? To only bring him on when is was pretty much too late as the rest of the team had pretty much folded at that point is just crazy. BH's use of the interchanges really is questionable and on the showings so far this season Lovodua is ahead of both Houghton & Johnstone.
If BH was only going to play Evans for a very minimal time then why also go with both Lovodua & Johnstone on the bench instead of just one of them and have Bowden on the bench.
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| It’s a shame Hookem got injured when he did, as he may have offered something different.
Years of poor recruitment and retention is biting us, and some of these players need to go ASAP.
BH’s use of the bench has been poor since the beginning of his tenure, and it was again yesterday.
We seem to be putting time and effort into the Academy now, but that will take time to come to fruition.
It’s the culture around the club that’s been sloppy for years, and it needs addressing fast.
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| One thing I noticed yesterday and curious about was Hicks stopped the game due to Wynn receiving treatment way back down the pitch in our half when we had the ball on the Cas 20, he was then issued a green card yet Westerman went down injured and the game had to be stopped for him to receive treatment but no green card issued?
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "It’s a shame Hookem got injured when he did, as he may have offered something different.
Years of poor recruitment and retention is biting us, and some of these players need to go ASAP.
BH’s use of the bench has been poor since the beginning of his tenure, and it was again yesterday.
We seem to be putting time and effort into the Academy now, but that will take time to come to fruition.
It’s the culture around the club that’s been sloppy for years, and it needs addressing fast.'"
To be fair yesterdays performance wasn't down to poor recruitment as the team BH had available was and should have been capable of performing. I'm not sure what BH's game plan or tactics were for yesterday as there was very little on show to indicate that he even had one. His use or rather misuse of the bench is still a big issue and one that cost us massively yesterday.
We don't have a god given right to win any game but in yesterdays game we did more to lose the game than we did to win it. Cas have been poor so far this season but we gifted them the game without them having to really work for it.
The dropped ball from the first pass in the opening seconds and we just crumbled that's not poor recruitment its poor preparation and mentality yet again.
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| Agree with the above.
Cas weren’t anything special, but didn’t have to be.
Our mentality has been an issue for a long time now. Really not sure what the answer is, as it’s occurred under more than one coaching regime.
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| wasn't confident during the week and was sadly proved right.
I want to believe that Hodgson is the man to take us forward but a now starting to doubt him and his methods.
As most have said, he got a lot wrong yesterday including once again terrible use of the bench.
3 wins from the last 17.
Is he on borrowed time?
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| Quote: Chris71 "It was a total poop show and personally for me Houghton offered very little and was pretty much ineffective and our right hand side defensively was awful. If BH doesn't change things for the Leeds game then I really question his ability to coach the team. I don't think many come out that game with any credit to be fair as Houghton wasn't the only one and I'm not singling him out but its the fact Lovodua was sat on the bench for so long and BH had the option available to make a change yet failed to do so until far too late.
Yes we had players missing but so did Cas yet they steamrolled us completely it was verging on embarrassing.'"
I honestly think it's pretty obvious who the ones are who arbt good enough or the ones who's heads and hearts are no longer in it or a mixture of both.
We need Hodgson to be tough now and take them out of the team/squad.
Gets boring reading about attitudes, but nobodys ever named, let's have some accountability. As I say once the 5 I named are back, the questionable ones won't be near the squad. In the meantime can we have Lovodua and Vulikijapani in from the start please, and Hookem if he's available
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| I don't think we've seen much improvement from the Radford/Last era, results are still inconsistent, the gaps between the best performances and worst performances are still too big. Discipline hasn't improved either, sin bins are still happening each game and we're still making dumb mistakes like not forming a scrum in time. If you keep saying wait till the new coach gets his own team we'll never win anything as it'll always take 2-3 years to get their own team in and remove the previous coaches deadwood. A lot of it boils down to attitude and desire to win, it almost looked as if a few of them had been out the night before and weren't fully in the game mode. I wonder if the culture is still to have too much of a good time at the club? Hodgson said we were going to stop putting square begs in round holes...if that is the approach then why is Johnstone playing at loose forward when he's a hooker, why is Shaul playing on the wing when he's a fullback? Either play them in position or don't play them. Also I noticed yesterday as others have said that the backs took in far too many of the drives. That was nowhere near a first choice Castleford team, mamo, Richardson, Kenny Edwards, fariamo, Massey and a few others were out and it was easily there for the taking given that we were in the match for most of the game without playing well at all.
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| I couldn't go yesterday, tested positive for covid on Friday, but the attitude was my only concern in this game, I fancied us for a hefty win, but equally feared the defeat if our attitude was off. MAy seem obvious , but, yesterday was one game where Gale may have made a big difference, just for his vocal presence, which may have kicked a few out of that lax and seemingly apathetic approach we all have seen too many times previously. I do agree with many others though, appointing an inexperienced coach wasn't the ideal use of our situation when Radders got his marching orders, Hodgson's rotation seems baffling to the everyday observer and we aren't going to trouble the big boys this year with him at the helm I fear. AP , as much as he is to blame, must be worried sick, those games we should be winning with that squad and , given that we are in line for financial woe, according to his statement, I don't see how we can improve things next year, other than by shipping out those in the squad who have had their time and whose contracts are up - Lovodua needs to feature earlier and from the start for me, if not at hooker then at loose man, he's young, fit and hasn't yet adopted the attitude that blights so many others within the squad.
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| No disciplinary bans this week.
Houghton... Player has arm outstretched and opponent falls into player’s arm upon being tackled by
player’s team mate.
A couple of these as well ...Player hits the shoulders before riding into the head/neck area of the opponent. NFA
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| Just want to say well done on an amazing turnout from your fans yesterday. Absolutely brilliant travelling support and had a good chat with a few of your fans before and after the game. I quite enjoyed the match to be fair (obviously with getting the win) Good luck for the rest of the season.
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