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Quote: Doc Brown "Wouldn't City still qualify if Arsenal finish 5th and won the FA Cup? Top 4 get into the Champions League, 5th gets Europa League along with League Cup and FA Cup winners. If Arsenal qualify via their league finish isn't it the cup runners up that get that competitions Euro entry?'"


European Qualification:

Premier League Pos 1-3: Automatic Qualification for Champions League group stage.
Premier League Pos 4: Entry into Champions League at final qualifying round.
Premier League Pos 5: Automatic Entry into Europa League.
League Cup Winners: Automatic Entry into Europa League. The League Cup Winners this season were Man City who will almost certainly qualify for the Champions League, so therefore this European spot is transferred to the team finishing 6th in the Premier League (not to Sunderland who lost the final).

F.A.Cup Winners: Automatic Entry into the Europa League. if the winners have already qualified for any European spot via any of the above entry levels, then their place goes to the F.A.Cup runners-up. If both finalists have already secured a spot then the final place goes to the team finishing in 7th place in the Premier League.

As others have already stated, the financial fair play rules will not affect qualification for entry into the European competitions for the season 2014/15.

What all of this means from City's point of view is that, providing Arsenal finish anywhere inside the top 6 of this season's Premier League (highly likely, even with their stuttering league form of late), Tigers will be playing Thursday Nights on Channel 5 next season, irrespective of whether they are F.A.Cup winners or runners-up.

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Not quite right. The fa cup place enters a round later so if nal came 5th and won the cup they would take the cup space and the other spot would revert to 7th in the league. City have everton last game of the season so cant influence this in a way.

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Not sure a Europa league place would be for the best anyway, unless you get to the quarter finals you face playing Eastern Europe teams who are so obscure you have to google them, meanwhile the long away trips and extra mid-week game stretches the squad. Swansea this season and Newcastle the other year have struggled because of it.

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Quote: BP1 "European QualificationF.A.Cup Winners

As others have already stated, the financial fair play rules will not affect qualification for entry into the European competitions for the season 2014/15.

What all of this means from City's point of view is that, providing Arsenal finish anywhere inside the top 6 of this season's Premier League (highly likely, even with their stuttering league form of late), Tigers will be playing Thursday Nights on Channel 5 next season, irrespective of whether they are F.A.Cup winners or runners-up.'"


Where did you get this from?

Most City fans seem to think that if Arsenal win the cup and finish 5th then they take the European cup spot allocated to the FA cup because it has a higher seeding and the place reserved for finishing 5th goes to the next highest finisher in the league.

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Quote: Airlie Street "Where did you get this from?

Most City fans seem to think that if Arsenal win the cup and finish 5th then they take the European cup spot allocated to the FA cup because it has a higher seeding and the place reserved for finishing 5th goes to the next highest finisher in the league.'"



Found this on the Premier League website

Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League.

Looks like City would miss out if they lose the final

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Quote: paintman "Found this on the Premier League website

Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League.

Looks like City would miss out if they lose the final'"


I could be wrong but that reads to me that City will qualify if they lose the final being the runners-up?

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If Arsenal finish 5th and win the cup they will go into the Europa League and City wont.
If Arsenal finish 4th and win the cup then City will be in The Europea League
If City win the cup then they will play in the Europa League

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Quote: Doc Brown "I could be wrong but that reads to me that City will qualify if they lose the final being the runners-up?'"


I think it depends where Arsenal finish. 4th or 5th

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He was right in the end:



Im shocked that Allam hasnt had a paddy and tried to get the final moved as playing it in London gives a home advantage to the London Gunners

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Quote: paintman "I think it depends where Arsenal finish. 4th or 5th'"


I honestly have no idea.

Quote: paintman "There are three places in the UEFA Europa League available

This makes sense. Winners of the cups and 5th place qualify. Simple.

Quote: paintman "In the event the FA Cup winners are qualified for the UEFA Champions League the FA Cup runners-up will qualify, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative. The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League.'"


This also makes sense. If Arsenal finish 4th and win the cup then Hull City are in Europe.

Quote: paintman "English winners of the UEFA Europa League will enter at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League. If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained.'"


Again, this makes sense. But it's not applicable to City.

Quote: paintman "Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League.'"


Now this is where I am confused. This line mentions FA cup winners, runners-up, and League Cup winners. Why mention the runners-up if they're not eligible for qualification? That really does read to me that the runners up take the Europa League spot if the winners have already qualified for either the Champions League or Europa League and that it would only pass onto the highest placed team if the runners-up had already qualified for Europe along with the winners. Does my reasoning make sense?

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City will be in Europe.

They win - Europa League

Arsenal win - they're already in Europe (probably), City as runners-up get their place in the Europa League.


The League Cup is slightly different in that if the winners are already in Europe, their place goes to the next place team in the league, not the runners-up.

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Quote: frepneyboy "Im shocked that Allam hasnt had a paddy and tried to get the final moved as playing it in London gives a home advantage to the London Gunners'"

Plus Wembley has been home to the Gunners down the years.

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He was right in the end:



Quote: barton baird "Plus Wembley has been home to the Gunners down the years.'"

Its an outrage i tell tee

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Quote: Errlee Berd "City will be in Europe.

They win - Europa League

Arsenal win - they're already in Europe (probably), City as runners-up get their place in the Europa League.


The League Cup is slightly different in that if the winners are already in Europe, their place goes to the next place team in the league, not the runners-up.'"


Not according to the HDM
"Arsenal are in desperate need of points as they chase Champions League football, a feat that in turn would guarantee the Tigers a Europa League spot through the FA Cup"

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Quote: barton baird "Plus Wembley has been home to the Gunners down the years.'"


He's asked the FA give him Wembley i heared,no other details,just that he wants them to give him it or he won't let City play in the cup final.

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