I don't know how you can suggest we failed to compete against Wire :/.

i dont disagree with some of your points but we made the playoffs and lost. were your tagets to win 1 playoff game or 2 or the final?.

We tried to get a 6+7 on the park but cant controll injuries. To even look like coaching a new pairing well we tried again, berro, wash turner, tansy? tried a few variations (all unsucessfull but nevertheless tried) Im not sure how you think some defeats against teams you expect to win are poor, all teams lose games some they dont expect too.

I wouldnt agree that agar had done us proud either (i know u was mocking) i just dont think its the end of the world or as bad as people make out

They've had a lot of luck with injuries this year and pretty much have a star studded squad. Much better squad than us.

Agar has improved the team over the last 12 months. We have been better but not good enough by a fair way yet. He struggles to motivate the team at times and for me lacks some imagination with selection. Having said that he knows far more about player's strengths and weaknesses than any of us on here and knows what they do in training and what they are and are not capable of.

He needs to employ a far more attacking style next year - last night we hardly had any second phase at all. Players need to be encouraged to push through the line more in support and do stuff more off the cuff. We need at least one more player who has a commanding kicking game preferably at half back and we need better quality cover in the backs. We lack a genuine strike threat apart from the excellent Tom Briscoe - maybe Will Sharp is the answer.

If we don't improve again next year as we have this, both in terms of style of play and league position, then I think Agar should be relieved of his position a year earlier than his contract expiry.

If Hull teams had swapped coaches, I think Morgab would have lead Hull to victory. He knows how to play smart. We dont. They hit Long late again early in the game, and I dont think anyone laid a finger on Dobson all match. When they were 0-12 and the rain came it was always going to be uphill struggle.

If Hull teams had swapped coaches, I think Morgab would have lead Hull to victory. He knows how to play smart. We dont. They hit Long late again early in the game, and I dont think anyone laid a finger on Dobson all match. When they were 0-12 and the rain came it was always going to be uphill struggle.

I'd agree with all of that. I'd also add that our woeful wide defence MUST be fixed during the off season. If we can't slide then go to man-for-man marking. Anything to stop the bucketload of points we ship whenever a side move the ball wide.

That is the most salient point of the whole Agar debate.
As the salary cap restrictions take hold, so the position of coach becomes every more important. The teams who will succeed will be the ones with a head coach in place who can extricate the maximum out of his "squad" players to compliment the star signings.

This is one of the reasons for Warrington's success this past year. Tony Smith has managed to get the likes of Bridge, Hicks, Riley & Westwood playing at a higher level than they had previously shown. I just can't see Agar getting a similar return out of the likes of Tansey, Turner, Burnett etc.

Not read any of the posts but my view of the season is that with the team we have we should of finished 4th without question, injuries to half backs didn't cost us, the defeats against salford and crusader's which we could say we were 'over confident' and just expected to turn up and win. Only the first game of the season showed a full good 80 minutes and its just not good enough if you want to finish in the top 4. We finished with 32 points, and a fact in the paper the other day said for the last 5 years that would of been good enough for a top 5 place finish, Imo that shows that were 2-3 years behind the likes of Saints, Wigan and Leeds. Defensively were not as good as we use to be a couple years back and our attacking 'style' in woeful. No attractive rugby played at all, and just goes to show by our points for and against for the season, the only team in the play-offs to finish with - points diff apart from newcomers crusaders. Alot needs to change next season, maybe not personel but tactics and how we play rugby because tactics shown this season are completely not effective. The 1st thing id start with is having a deeper line, which ive noticed we've never had all season!

Good Post mate.

I thought I would have a look at the cup games. Didn't take long as we were knocked out at the 1st time of asking during 2009 and 2010!

His record is P7, W4, L3. Points for 184, Points Against 161. Winning margins are 2 by 1-10 (against Bradford & Wakefield), 1 by 11-20 (Widnes) and I found the only game that we have won by more than 31 points during Agars tenure, we beat the mighty Rochdale Hornets by 37 points during the 2008 cup run!!

I agree entirely with what you say, the most disappointing thing during his tenure as coach has not been the number of defeats but the abject, dour rugby on display and complete lack of entertainment during the majority of the games.

Agar said at the Fans forum,

"I dont instruct players to just barge down the middle"

Therefore he is unable to implement his methods, to the players.

He should go!!

Placings are re-stated after the play-offs. We really finished 7th. .

Barista , what a load of rubbish , you finished 6th in the league, the table never lies !
In a one off derby game you are now saying Hull finished 7th.