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32444_1318716838.jpg [quote="Philip Larkin":2lhqd089]
There ain’t no music
East side of this city
That’s mellow like mine is,
That’s mellow like mine.
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| Quote: Standee "The major concern is that Agar has not learnt from past mistakes, his interchanges at Crusaders and Salford were "interesting" to say the least, he hasn't implemented a plan B, I think he thought we were giong to be able to win every game up the middle.'"
You're frighteningly right.
Hence the lack of forethought in allowing Raynor to leave at the end of the close - after giving him the 5 shirt - instead of the beginning allowing us to recruit for our miserable 3/4 line. Clearly Agar did not put too much importance on the quality experience of our wingers.
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| Quote: WormInHand "You're frighteningly right.
Hence the lack of forethought in allowing Raynor to leave at the end of the close - after giving him the 5 shirt - instead of the beginning allowing us to recruit for our miserable 3/4 line. Clearly Agar did not put too much importance on the quality experience of our wingers.'"
To be fair to Agar that was not his decision. It was made at a higher level and he had no say in it.
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "To be fair to Agar that was not his decision. It was made at a higher level and he had no say in it.'"
and also to be fair to it hindsight will show it to be the correct decision i'm sure. The true facts of the raynor situation are likely to not come out though.
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "To be fair to Agar that was not his decision. It was made at a higher level and he had no say in it.'"
and you know that how??
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32444_1318716838.jpg [quote="Philip Larkin":2lhqd089]
There ain’t no music
East side of this city
That’s mellow like mine is,
That’s mellow like mine.
[/quote:2lhqd089]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32444.jpg |
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "To be fair to Agar that was not his decision. It was made at a higher level and he had no say in it.'"
Fair enough, but lets face it the facts of the court case have been public for long enough, and Hull would have been more aware than most of the extent of the charges against him.
If I were the coach with Raynor being an integral part of my three quarters I'd have been insisting on a decision at the end of last season not the beginning of this. Thereby giving myself time to assemble a strong enough centre and wing combination for this level - for this season not next.
Lyne and Tuffour are clearly not going to be able to contribute as mainstay wingers this year, which means reliance on Briscoe (despite Agar seeing him as a centre) and Calderwood. Briscoe has been found out defensively on the wing imo and Calderwood is having an injury mare. Surprise surprise, once again there isn't a strong enough plan B.
Not saying the Raynor decision was wrong, but the timing of it was. And if my job depended on it, I'd have made sure of my options early enough. Boils down to poor planning, in my book.
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| Quote: GODS UNDERTAKER "and you know that how??'"
The club expected the court case to be over last Autumn. If it had have been there would not have been a problem. If Raynor was found not guilty or found guilty but didn't get sent down the club would probably have kept him on. If he had been sent down the club would have cancelled his contract.
The fact that the case was held over till April created a big problem. If Raynor was sent down in April the club would lose him half way through the season and would have no money or time to replace him.
Therefore the decision was taken to pay him off last year and free up his space on the salary cap. The timing was not the club's fault as it was outside their control.
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32444_1318716838.jpg [quote="Philip Larkin":2lhqd089]
There ain’t no music
East side of this city
That’s mellow like mine is,
That’s mellow like mine.
[/quote:2lhqd089]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32444.jpg |
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "The club expected the court case to be over last Autumn. If it had have been there would not have been a problem. If Raynor was found not guilty or found guilty but didn't get sent down the club would probably have kept him on. If he had been sent down the club would have cancelled his contract.
The fact that the case was held over till April created a big problem. If Raynor was sent down in April the club would lose him half way through the season and would have no money or time to replace him.
Therefore the decision was taken to pay him off last year and free up his space on the salary cap. The timing was not the club's fault as it was outside their control.'"
So they haven't replaced him.... yet? Is that what you're saying?
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| Quote: WormInHand "So they haven't replaced him.... yet? Is that what you're saying?'"
Well obviously they haven't replaced him as they haven't signed another winger and TBH I don't think they are going to.
But does anyone remember the talk in the close season of signing an Aussie/Kiwi outside back? In the end nothing came of it and Sam Moa got the last quota spot.
Maybe that explains the delay in offering Moa a new deal? They couldn't get a back so signed him up instead.
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32444_1318716838.jpg [quote="Philip Larkin":2lhqd089]
There ain’t no music
East side of this city
That’s mellow like mine is,
That’s mellow like mine.
[/quote:2lhqd089]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32444.jpg |
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "Well obviously they haven't replaced him as they haven't signed another winger and TBH I don't think they are going to.
But does anyone remember the talk in the close season of signing an Aussie/Kiwi outside back? In the end nothing came of it and Sam Moa got the last quota spot.
Maybe that explains the delay in offering Moa a new deal? They couldn't get a back so signed him up instead.'"
I think that's probably about right. Moa won't have taken up as much cap as Raynor, though. So perhaps still enough left for a winger?
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| Quote: WormInHand "I think that's probably about right. Moa won't have taken up as much cap as Raynor, though. So perhaps still enough left for a winger?'"
I am led to believe Moa isnt expensive and a lump is deffo left for "those players"
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| Quote: GODS UNDERTAKER "I am led to believe Moa isnt expensive and a lump'"
Half right
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| Quote: Standee "The major concern is that Agar has not learnt from past mistakes, his interchanges at Crusaders and Salford were "interesting" to say the least'"
Although to be fair, his interchanges in the other games have shown a big improvement over last season.
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| Quote: weaver93 "One thing is baffling me!!
We bring in Dennis Moore, who was second to Des Hasler at Manly,
who appeared in consecutive Grand Finals.
And yet............
We still play in the same manner as the last two seasons!!
Is Moore having any input into the side at all???'"
Agar went running to Aunty Kath when Sharpe wanted more of an input into the team maybe he has done the same again.
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| hasnt agar got the sack yet?
has anyone who sent a mail on the "tell us" facility had a reply from the toolbox?
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| Quote: Kosh "Although to be fair, his interchanges in the other games have shown a big improvement over last season.'"
Indeed, and at those games it has been suggested to me he was taking input from Long and Moore, for some reason he has (again, according to what has been suggested to me) stopped taking that advice/input/constructive criticism.
We will get to see again on Sky on Friday what the body language is like between him and his team/backroom, I am also looking forward to the U20's Derby on Saturday as I might get some more ideas then.
Whatever is going on, there is something, it is clear to see.
We cannot throw another season away, which I might add we are nowhere near doing, YET, but two abject performances mean the club (and I mean everyone) have been complacent, that is unprofessional.
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