Absoutley, the guy is a tool a smug arogant to$$er

Hello Oracle. I thought it wouldn't take long for you to out yourself.

Well said.

He came across as a political lightweight and a grinning fool on top of his disgusting political views.

I don't deny he made himself look awful last night, but I think the "posse" wasn't needed, he could have hung himself on his own.

My point is they've taken the spotlight off the fact the guys a numpty and given him ammunition for the "oh woe is me" argument or the "well I tried to be professional and it was they who...." etc, etc.

Do you see where I'm coming from? I don't deny that the (allegedly) slimy, self obsessed, patronising, over hyped pratt is an apparent tool, but the BBC could have handled that soooo much better than they did.

There is no such thing as bad publicity and today the BNP's name is EVERYWHERE; which is not good, not good at all.

Exactly, when we stop free unedited speech (within reason), we then become something other than a democracy.

If you honestly think that the BBC would go to all the effort and grief of getting Griffin onto QT only to stitch him up like a kipper then you're way off track.

The biggest mistake they made was NOT directing proceedings. They left thing up to the panel as they usually do and it all went a bit Pete Tong. Nothing deliberate in it IMO.

What part of last night's programme was edited?

With all due respect, you missed my point and then at the same time got it in its entirety all in one reply matey, exactly, they...



With such an emotive issue, and such high feeling should that have even been allowed? Where are the producers and the directors, didn't Dimbleby have an ear piece?!

To make an apparent monster, into all but a martyr for his followers is not by any means clever.

He wasn't made into a martyr, although he would probably claim that.

He was given a rough ride because the vast majority of the country think his beliefs are abhorent.

It wasn't, but if Jeremy Kyle is likened to "Bear Baiting" by the UK LAW COURTS, then last night was not a millions miles from the same, it was "The Jeremy Kyle Show" with posh people and suits. The BBC knew what they were inviting to the show and did not prepare for it sufficiently.

A debate is listed in the dictionary as "a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers." whether anyone is wrong is the decision of we the public.

I just don't feel this was done last night.



Exactly, give the "alleged" scumbag an angle and he'll use it!!

Your posts implied that it was somehow deliberate, referring to a 'posse' and questioning why the BNP supporters were all sat at the back. If you didn't mean that then you might need to be a bit clearer and use less emotive language.

The BBC were, TBF, on a hiding to nothing. Having already been castigated by inviting him on they would have really got it in the neck had they been seen to interfere with proceedings in his favour. I think they quite deliberately chose to take a hands-off approach but unfortunately it didn't work as well as it might have.

The panelists and Dimbleby should have been more than capable of containing the situation. They chose not to, for whatever reasons. Although Dimbleby did get control of things towards the end. I wouldn't make too much of it though.

I'd have preferred a wider debate to further humiliate the lying fascist pig, but TBH I have no sympathy whatsoever with him over his treatment. I also don't believe that it will turn him into a martyr. If anything his snivelling protest today just makes him look weak and stupid.

This is the point. Those who say he was 'bullied' or 'lynched' are way, way off the mark. A man with abhorent views was taken to task by an audience and panel who think that such views have no place in our society.

Did anyone seriously expect the panel/audience to be saying,

"Well, that's an interesting point you make, Mr Griffin, although I can't say I agree with you. Have you perhaps considered the possibility that brown people are not the cause of all our woes? You haven't? Ok, then, fair enough. Your hair looks great, by the way."

He's a vile racist, and the reaction of the audience was the only correct one, IMO.

I think we're both "singing from the same hymn sheet" within reason, just have our own opinions on the debate.

I really do think that you're making way too much of this. It wasn't perfect, and was a bit cringeworthy in places, but it was hardly an infringement of the fascist pig's freedom of speech. If you're that interested in what he has to say there will be ample opportunity to sample his pearls of wisdom in the future.