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| Quote: rodney_trotter "I believe Castleford play a pretty clean game and I totally disagree it's become a necessary evil
I don't have an issue with Mcdermotts comments, it's about time it got addressed because in recent seasons there have been glimpses of football tactics (Sam tompkins springs to mind)'"
Milner and Mcshane in particular play far from a clean game in my opinion but i get your general meaning.
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Do the refs really need to be that good if 2 of them, doing half the job, so in theory should be a lot easier'"
I agree, but what they would need to do, is act on what they see. If one is watching the PTB and the other the offside, then you would hope it wouldn't take too many games for the players to catch on, and consequently make for better games.
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| Doesn't need two refs, all the RFL has to do is instruct teams/coaches that from now on these incidents will be penalised ALL the time from minute one to minute eighty.
1. stepping off the mark/moving forward off the mark with no relevant influence from a nearby tackler (so that a mere touch/brush/hand resting on top of tackled player doesn't count)
2. Not making any attempt to move out of the way of the ruck/not obstructing the dummy half from passing in any direction.
3. Not making a genuine attempt to extricate yourself from the tackle prudently.
4. Not moving away immediately 'move' is called (if we are to continue with that)
5. Diving/faking interference.
6. Encroaching the 10m before the tackled player even has the ball through their legs never mind in the DH hands.
Penalise the cr ap out of teams that infringe, basically this will cost teams games, i don't care if the first few games are a penalty fest because the subsequent games will have to be much cleaner otherwise teams that continue to infringe will simply not be able to compete.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "
6. Encroaching the 10m before the tackled player even has the ball through their legs never mind in the DH hands.
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The rule is that you can move once the guy playing the ball has touched it with his foot. Given that no one touches it with their foot anymore its a hard one to police.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Doesn't need two refs, all the RFL has to do is instruct teams/coaches that from now on these incidents will be penalised ALL the time from minute one to minute eighty.
1. stepping off the mark/moving forward off the mark with no relevant influence from a nearby tackler (so that a mere touch/brush/hand resting on top of tackled player doesn't count)
2. Not making any attempt to move out of the way of the ruck/not obstructing the dummy half from passing in any direction.
3. Not making a genuine attempt to extricate yourself from the tackle prudently.
4. Not moving away immediately 'move' is called (if we are to continue with that)
5. Diving/faking interference.
6. Encroaching the 10m before the tackled player even has the ball through their legs never mind in the DH hands.
Penalise the cr ap out of teams that infringe, basically this will cost teams games, i don't care if the first few games are a penalty fest because the subsequent games will have to be much cleaner otherwise teams that continue to infringe will simply not be able to compete.'"
Would possibly agree with you, if it hadn't been proven in the NRL that it really does work. Im sure the RFL instruct the clubs at the beginning of every season on the points you make, but in practice just to much for the ref to deal with in such high speed sport, and nobody wants to see the game stopping and starting every 30 secs, 2 refs the way forward for me imo
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Would possibly agree with you, if it hadn't been proven in the NRL that it really does work. Im sure the RFL instruct the clubs at the beginning of every season on the points you make, but in practice just to much for the ref to deal with in such high speed sport, and nobody wants to see the game stopping and starting every 30 secs, 2 refs the way forward for me imo'"
A certain Mr Child's seems happy to stop the game every 30 seconds (or that's how it feels at times)!
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| I think everyone would agree that a quick play the ball is what teams in possession aim for, and a slow play the ball when defending.
I've said before that just about every tackle nowadays could generate a penalty, that's how bad it's got.
So, penalise the team in possession when needed, but, rather than giving a penalty against the defending side, how about simply not increasing the tackle count?
Blatant infringement of the rules would still need to be penalised.
The refs could tighten up the rules without ruining the game (even more).
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| Quote: ccs "I think everyone would agree that a quick play the ball is what teams in possession aim for, and a slow play the ball when defending.
I've said before that just about every tackle nowadays could generate a penalty, that's how bad it's got.
So, penalise the team in possession when needed, but, rather than giving a penalty against the defending side, how about simply not increasing the tackle count?
Blatant infringement of the rules would still need to be penalised.
The refs could tighten up the rules without ruining the game (even more).'"
Not bad idea but could be carnage with players and fans not knowing what the tackle count is. First thing they need to do is bring back the rule of playing ball with your foot. At least then it gives the ref chance to decide when teams are offside. Olso the video ref should be able to make calls ie when every person watching on sky can see a blatant head butt yet the player stays on pitch
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| I wouldn't call it carnage.
Not playing the ball with the foot started about 20 years ago, by wigan if I remember correctly, and has been pretty much ignored by the officials ever since.
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| Tend to agree with Bumpy on his suggestions (and agreed with the thrust of McDermott's rant). The first few weeks of 2018 would be fun if this was policed properly though.
I remember years ago when interference started getting silly. The RFL intervened and it was a penalty every time for a while until players learnt not to do it. Then the refs relaxed and the players reverted to laying on etc knowing they could get away with it, which they still do.
Bottom line is that the refereeing set up isn't fit for purpose - having Ganson in charge doesn't exactly help either
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| Anybody tuning into the NRL on Freesports this week will have noticed a MASSIVE difference.
Game much quicker, less wrestling on the ground, very few hands in delaying PTB - far more of a spectacle where frankly cheating has been eliminated - two reasons:-
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| contd,,
1). Absolute clarity from the top about what is accepted, I suggest all clubs properly advised by governing body & firmly enforced.
2). Two refs just has to be the way forward - one polices the ten metre, the other the PTB. This was announced by SL a couple of years ago but never happened - think it was the cost ? coupled with lack of suitable candidates.
All SL players are naturally pushing the barrier & seeking to gain advantage - for the good of the game it has to be sorted. Fully agree with BMaC - if he can't explain what dominant or submissive mean then what chance have the players, the refs orus long suffering fans ???
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| Quote: al283 "contd,,
1). Absolute clarity from the top about what is accepted, I suggest all clubs properly advised by governing body & firmly enforced.
2). Two refs just has to be the way forward - one polices the ten metre, the other the PTB. This was announced by SL a couple of years ago but never happened - think it was the cost ? coupled with lack of suitable candidates.
All SL players are naturally pushing the barrier & seeking to gain advantage - for the good of the game it has to be sorted. Fully agree with BMaC - if he can't explain what dominant or submissive mean then what chance have the players, the refs orus long suffering fans ???'"
But the problem is that mcdermott and all of the other coaches are training their players week in, week out to slow down the PTB then when an opponent gets the drop on them he complains. washbrook clearly did what he did on Thursday on purpose 'but if the attacking player wasn't getting up next to him while he was trying to play the ball then he wouldn't have been able to do it. For me, the issue is with the defenders, not the attacking player. if you're still in the way then you should be penalised.
Get rid of the 3 and 4 men tackles, the wrestling, the pulling the man to the floor after held has been called and everything else aimed at slowing down the opposition attack and the game would be much better for it
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| Quote: al283 "contd,,
1). Absolute clarity from the top about what is accepted, I suggest all clubs properly advised by governing body & firmly enforced.
2). Two refs just has to be the way forward - one polices the ten metre, the other the PTB. This was announced by SL a couple of years ago but never happened - think it was the cost ? coupled with lack of suitable candidates.
All SL players are naturally pushing the barrier & seeking to gain advantage - for the good of the game it has to be sorted. Fully agree with BMaC - if he can't explain what dominant or submissive mean then what chance have the players, the refs orus long suffering fans ???'"
Again, you don't need two refs in your scenario, the touch judge polices the 10m, just as he/she should police the offside line for scrums but currently don't even do that either properly. In fact a touch judge has a far better view as he's looking down one line in one direction so players offside are easy to see.
The referee doesn't even need to stand 10m away just as referees in the past didn't have to always stand the 5 or 10 and were often found close to the PTB when it got a bit messy. Players respected the offside line far more then and also didn't give the ref even a quarter of the lip they do now. start pinging whiners 10m every time they open their gob and some teams would never leave their own 20 when you factor in their general match tactics. jesus if players like Wellens, Tomkins and Maguire acted as they did BITD, goalkickers of the era would just be laughing with attempt after attempt at goal for 2 without ever having to worry the opposition would get a sniff unless they played fairly and didn't gob off to the ref.
kick off, laying on/messy play the ball, penalty, offside at 1st PTB, penalty, gob off, marched another 10, kick for goal, rinse and repeat.
We can enforce the rules without sanitising or slowing the game down, it just needs the coaches, the players and more importantly the officials to do what they should all be doing.
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| Quote: al283 "Anybody tuning into the NRL on Freesports this week will have noticed a MASSIVE difference.
Game much quicker, less wrestling on the ground, very few hands in delaying PTB - far more of a spectacle where frankly cheating has been eliminated - two reasons
Exactly, completely agree, makes me laugh people who don't normally watch the NRL didn't even realize that 2 refs are on the pitch! Quite clearly works, and the simplest solution imo
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