I didn't buy a pass this season, and I've already made up my mind I won't next.

I nearly went to last nights game and decided at last minute to watch it on SKY, I'm glad I did.

The stadium argument is futile, there is going to be no Haliwell Jones - we don't have the money, and there is no viable alternative to the KC. Someone mentioned staying at the Boulevard and upgrading that, but that wasn't an option either, we didn't have the money then either.

And in response to fickle fans/leaving early - how else can fans show their disappointment? They can't. Not showing up in one way, and leaving early after a tonking is another.
Fans rarely leave early after close well fought out defeat, but leaving early after a pounding and a very poor performance is perfectly acceptable to me.
Staying till the last minute last night then applauding is basically accepting mediocrity IMO? Last night wasn't even mediocre it was utter garbage.

Fans do have a right to protest, and the players, coaches and owner should be shown that what they have served up is rubbish, we do that with our legs in not going or standing up and leaving early.

And through all of this the biggest and most glaringly obvious hole in all of it is that AP hasn't installed a proven and experienced coach. He says he's tried everything - he hasn't.

Appreciate they don't come cheap, but maybe just spending a little less on the cap and using the difference to pay for a top coach, money talks and I'm sure one could have been found if the money was there. And a top coach couldn't but be motivated by the facilities and youth structure that had been put in place.

I said last night, was the result due to the players not being good enough or because they are not coached to reach their full potential? I believe the sum of all the parts should be greater than it is, which would suggest its coaching.

So, if you want to stay till the end an applaud that last night, then fair play to you, but it seems the majority are hacked off and making their voices felt in one of the few ways they can, with their feet.

That's not fickle, it's called being ed off.

I think we have some of the best fans in the game. Throw in some muppetts which every team have. IMO anybody who pays has the right to go when they want. I am always in the half glass full group where some on here are the half glass empty and that causes a lot of the arguments. Hopefully next year we can regroup and get up the table. On the other hand lol

Whoever stayed last night to clap that rubbish off makes us the worst fans in the game,

The players simply dont deserve it, and the fans are happy with not even seventh best.

A 100 forward passes? Wow!

How could you tell the difference?

Sorry, that was a cheap shot, but it was an open goal invitation Dave!

100% correct.

I don't know what's more boring to be honest. Some of our attacking play or the up when we win slag when we lose after the game mentality. I'm as fed up with the surrounding crap as I am with the on field stuff itself.

It was like watching a hull performance was great half and another which was terrible.

We have some of the most expectant fans, & loads of moaning fans you only have to sit at KC & listen to some sat around you! I admit AP shouldn't say we are going to set the league alight or we are going to Wembley every year, but we are far far away from being top 4 so the sooner these type of fans get this the better the KC will be for atmosphere at least, we are building for the future as all clubs are.

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Perhaps you could explain how. Feel free to use the words Briscoe, Crooks, Lineham and Shaul in your answer.

Briscoe wanted to go home crookes was a good prospect but done nowt since,lineham agree with shaul hasn't gone anywhere

My point is only that if you are "building for the future" then you should be retaining and developing your promising youngsters. If that isn't the case then we should be poaching other clubs' promising youngsters. If we do neither, how are we building for the future?

OK...

1. How do you retain someone who wants away and is going OOC (Briscoe)?
2. Crookes was given plenty of chances and failed to take them. Then he also wanted away.
3. Lineham I'll give you. We should have tried harder to keep him and AP admitted as much last night.
4. Shaul is going nowhere and AP stated last night that he's still seen as a key player going forward.

On top of that we have Abdull and Logan playing in SL, with Dean and HTW going full time next season.

We [iare[/i retaining and developing [imost[/i of our promising youngsters. In fact the only one we've done badly with IMO is Lineham.

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For me the most annoying thing about Hull fans is the massive over analysis and scrutiny of players, it's almost obsessive and has been for years.

Take Lineham and Shaul for example the two being most discussed at the moment, both have been and can be match winners, both far from complete players but both when all's said and done both contribute positively, yet some fans seem to want to focus more on a few defensive reads or missed tackles, maybe because they think this makes them seem more knowledgable of the game I don't know, it's a similar mentality to that when a player comes over with a big reputation, some people can't wait to pick holes because they think they are going against the grain and seeing things that others don't see, strange mentality.

It's maybe just an outlook on life, but as a fan when I think of Shaul this season the first things that pop up are the Saints away try and other individual try's, and some the try's scored on the back of a clean break by him, likewise with Lineham his hatricks and running the full length of the field, maybe the first thing that pops into other peoples minds is a missed tackle at Widnes away or whatever. Hard to understand I just prefer to enjoy watching talented players.