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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Maybe just maybe we wait and see what happens rather than binning someone off before they've had a chance to prove their worth.
Same old faces slagging players off whom either don't know jack or clearly have not an ounce of respect for players plying their trade in TGG.
I say give the guy a break, see what comes of it, it might be his one chance at making a go of it professionally and if he can fully appreciate that, knuckle down and show some heart and a bit of something that Gentle deems enough for him to go forward with the club then you never know.
If he's pants, not interested/no heart, then so what, for some RL just isn't the be all and end all of their lives.
We'll probably have him on a few beans with specific contract terms, we're not exactly losing anything by trying him out..'"



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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Maybe just maybe we wait and see what happens rather than binning someone off before they've had a chance to prove their worth.
Same old faces slagging players off whom either don't know jack or clearly have not an ounce of respect for players plying their trade in TGG.
I say give the guy a break, see what comes of it, it might be his one chance at making a go of it professionally and if he can fully appreciate that, knuckle down and show some heart and a bit of something that Gentle deems enough for him to go forward with the club then you never know.
If he's pants, not interested/no heart, then so what, for some RL just isn't the be all and end all of their lives.
We'll probably have him on a few beans with specific contract terms, we're not exactly losing anything by trying him out..'"


Well Said. It`s not even offical that he has signed. Some folk just love a good moan.
IF we have signed him, then give the kid and the club a chance to work with him first.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Maybe just maybe we wait and see what happens rather than binning someone off before they've had a chance to prove their worth.
Same old faces slagging players off whom either don't know jack or clearly have not an ounce of respect for players plying their trade in TGG.
I say give the guy a break, see what comes of it, it might be his one chance at making a go of it professionally and if he can fully appreciate that, knuckle down and show some heart and a bit of something that Gentle deems enough for him to go forward with the club then you never know.
If he's pants, not interested/no heart, then so what, for some RL just isn't the be all and end all of their lives.
We'll probably have him on a few beans with specific contract terms, we're not exactly losing anything by trying him out..'"


Well said. It's probably the same people who had binned Horne off a few months back. Experts.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Maybe just maybe we wait and see what happens rather than binning someone off before they've had a chance to prove their worth.
Same old faces slagging players off whom either don't know jack or clearly have not an ounce of respect for players plying their trade in TGG.
I say give the guy a break, see what comes of it, it might be his one chance at making a go of it professionally and if he can fully appreciate that, knuckle down and show some heart and a bit of something that Gentle deems enough for him to go forward with the club then you never know.
If he's pants, not interested/no heart, then so what, for some RL just isn't the be all and end all of their lives.
We'll probably have him on a few beans with specific contract terms, we're not exactly losing anything by trying him out..'"

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Maybe just maybe we wait and see what happens rather than binning someone off before they've had a chance to prove their worth.
Same old faces slagging players off whom either don't know jack or clearly have not an ounce of respect for players plying their trade in TGG.
I say give the guy a break, see what comes of it, it might be his one chance at making a go of it professionally and if he can fully appreciate that, knuckle down and show some heart and a bit of something that Gentle deems enough for him to go forward with the club then you never know.
If he's pants, not interested/no heart, then so what, for some RL just isn't the be all and end all of their lives.
We'll probably have him on a few beans with specific contract terms, we're not exactly losing anything by trying him out..'"


Well said that man.

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Quote: 18st frame could be. Looks to lack a bit of ticker when the going gets tough. But who knows Eorl Crabtree has openly admitted he wasn't 'tough' in his early career & Tony Smith's desire to toughen him up nearly drove him away from the game.

All I can go on is my opinion & that is Waller is not good enough for SL, that doesn't mean if he signs he won't play SL but I see nothing in him that I don't see every saturday afternoon locally apart from a large frame.

p.s. If you'd like a more positive non 'binning' the player off opinion. The yes he's the next James Graham/Sam Burgess & is the best prop in the championship with interest from the NRL and all top 4 SL clubs............Then when he turns out not to be you'll be one of the disapointed ones!!! No need to build players up anymore then there is to 'bin' them off. Tommy Lee for example was gonna be a world beater even though he never was & then when this was proven he got grief when in reality we've had far worse over the last decade & the fact he's still in SL shows he wasn't as cr@p as some made out.
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I have a lot of respect for anyone plying their trade however as this is a Hull FC forum where fans can have opinions on the club, rumours, players and a whole host of other things then you shouldn't really get upset by their opinions. People pay good money to watch the club so can say what they like. As for Waller I stand by my comment that if HKR where rumoured to be signing him or had signed him a lot of Hull FC fans would be taking the p1ss. Lets face it the recent signings of Nicklas & re-signing of Netherton have been mocked many a time however they both have SL experience.

I may be proved wrong when it comes to Waller, some people who come on here will have never seen the kid play so like to hear peoples opinions. Personally I've seen him play for Skirlaugh on several occasions & he looked no better than other props in the national conference certainly not a barnstorming aggressive prop his 6'5" 18st frame could be. Looks to lack a bit of ticker when the going gets tough. But who knows Eorl Crabtree has openly admitted he wasn't 'tough' in his early career & Tony Smith's desire to toughen him up nearly drove him away from the game.

All I can go on is my opinion & that is Waller is not good enough for SL, that doesn't mean if he signs he won't play SL but I see nothing in him that I don't see every saturday afternoon locally apart from a large frame.

p.s. If you'd like a more positive non 'binning' the player off opinion. The yes he's the next James Graham/Sam Burgess & is the best prop in the championship with interest from the NRL and all top 4 SL clubs............Then when he turns out not to be you'll be one of the disapointed ones!!! No need to build players up anymore then there is to 'bin' them off. Tommy Lee for example was gonna be a world beater even though he never was & then when this was proven he got grief when in reality we've had far worse over the last decade & the fact he's still in SL shows he wasn't as cr@p as some made out.

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Quote: Dave K. "Lets be honest it's not exactly a big risk, he wont be on much money and will only be a fringe player, bit of a project for Gentle and the coaching team.

I'd hope that if we do sign him, we still sign an experienced impact prop though.'"



This is pretty much my opinion on the guy.

Gentle has obviously seen something in him he feels he can develop. Understand people who have seen him raising question marks over his fitness and Heart. However if he has signed as I am lead to believe I have confidence between Gentle, Radford and Last these flaws can be improved. He appears to have the build to make a good forward maybe he just needs a bit of help and direction to realise his potential.

If he turns out to be a dud, he won't be on a huge salary anyway and he is not a marque signing so what is there to lose?

I can't see his signing holding back other players or getting in the way of potential signings, I view it pretty much as a bonus signing and a project Gentle fancies having a go at.

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Little risk IMO

Anyone that size who hits the line at pace is going to take some stopping.

If he can be used as an impact player and he can break the line, thats a start.

A bit of coaching on how to offload at the right time and given the support of runners when he does break, does he need to do much else?

Apprceciate it isnt that simple, but a good prop is often defined as one who can break the line at pace and offload at the right time to a supporting player.

Imagine him receiving the ball 10 meters out from the try line at pace?
He's gonan take some stopping by several players, thus creating space?

Or maybe he's just turd?

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Quote: Jimmy Carr "Little risk IMO

Anyone that size who hits the line at pace is going to take some stopping.

If he can be used as an impact player and he can break the line, thats a start.

A bit of coaching on how to offload at the right time and given the support of runners when he does break, does he need to do much else?

Apprceciate it isnt that simple, but a good prop is often defined as one who can break the line at pace and offload at the right time to a supporting player.

Imagine him receiving the ball 10 meters out from the try line at pace?
He's gonan take some stopping by several players, thus creating space?

Or maybe he's just turd?'"


Well said Jimmy.

If we sign Brett then he'll get my full support and we really shouldn't be judging him until we see him in action.

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Quote: black and Whiteley "This is pretty much my opinion on the guy.

Gentle has obviously seen something in him he feels he can develop. Understand people who have seen him raising question marks over his fitness and Heart. However if he has signed as I am lead to believe I have confidence between Gentle, Radford and Last these flaws can be improved. He appears to have the build to make a good forward maybe he just needs a bit of help and direction to realise his potential.

If he turns out to be a dud, he won't be on a huge salary anyway and he is not a marque signing so what is there to lose?

I can't see his signing holding back other players or getting in the way of potential signings, I view it pretty much as a bonus signing and a project Gentle fancies having a go at.'"
I remember a an unknown"project" called sam moa!

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Quote: owd bird "I remember a an unknown"project" called sam moa!'"


Agreed, but then you have to balance the scales and remember the project that was Hutch Maiva!!!!

Could go either way, still with little risk its worth a shout, particularly if we are short on prospects in this position.

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Quote: Jimmy Carr "Little risk IMO

Anyone that size who hits the line at pace is going to take some stopping.

If he can be used as an impact player and he can break the line, thats a start.

A bit of coaching on how to offload at the right time and given the support of runners when he does break, does he need to do much else?

Apprceciate it isnt that simple, but a good prop is often defined as one who can break the line at pace and offload at the right time to a supporting player.

Imagine him receiving the ball 10 meters out from the try line at pace?
He's gonan take some stopping by several players, thus creating space?

Or maybe he's just turd?'"


Even if he doesn't break the line, he will draw players. This could result in a couple of advantages to hull, either opening up a gap, or tiring the defence. Cusack and Dowes rarely broke the line, but were still very effective props IMO.

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Quote: Faithful One "Even if he doesn't break the line, he will draw players. This could result in a couple of advantages to hull, either opening up a gap, or tiring the defence. Cusack and Dowes rarely broke the line, but were still very effective props IMO.'"



Agreed

Personally think Dowes was one of our best players in recent times. 100% man.

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I respect that people can have an opinion, that you yourself have come to a conclusion I was attacking that people should not have an opinion shows you didn't read what I had written or didn't understand it?
You can check every single post I've made, not once ever have I said people whom post stuff I disagree with should not have an opinion worth posting, that in effect is what you are stating I've said in my post you quoted.

In so fact that my opinion differs to yours it matters not one jot, clearly I'm pointing out that the naysayers even without knowing anything about said player or do not understand that people can change/turn about their lives when presented with an opportunity of a lifetime. They will have their opinion but is somewhat negative/ narrow minded and closed off to the concept that people can change and/or have latent potential that can be tapped by those more professional or even being in a more professional environ with others far better than you might actually encourage (possibly embarress even) you to reach higher.
This happens everywhere in life, certainly in organised groups and with proper training/encouragement and in some cases the kick backs it can work miracles, you see this in all walks of life and not just sport.

Yourself from what you have written seemingly are already saying he won't come to anything. Sure you've seen him play, I get that people are saying he seems not to be giving his all or taking advantage of his physical size. That's a head thing, either he's just not that bothered about putting himself about, doesn't have the confidence to do so (which can look like lack of heart), is scared to do so (which also looks like lack of heart) but I'd think that isn't the case. His fitness level will change some of it without a doubt because you are more confident if you're better than you were. Anyway who are we to critcise as to why...will it change things at FC, no, will it change the supporters, no. It won't change anything at all and basically is no risk at all.

Gentle and whomever scouted him have decided in their experience that he might be worth a punt, that it may come to nought is the risk you take even when taking on some big wage players (as FC fans we know this from experience sadly!!)

I don't take the about other teams signings, I've better things to write/muse about however you seem quite keen to crack out with your smart comments re the next Burgess/Graham, actually think about why people will stand up and respond to negative/narrow minded posters.
Being an FC supporter (or a RL fan in general) is a hard enough thing as it is, we as fans struggle with the balance of success and failure (far too much of the latter!), we feel negative at times when things are going wrong, myself included (an earlier post this year was a lengthy description of woes of the club) yet this (Waller) is such a small tiny thing that to be negative about it is pretty petty at the very least.



Quote: Bomber's tash "I have a lot of respect for anyone plying their trade however as this is a Hull FC forum where fans can have opinions on the club, rumours, players and a whole host of other things then you shouldn't really get upset by their opinions. People pay good money to watch the club so can say what they like. As for Waller I stand by my comment that if HKR where rumoured to be signing him or had signed him a lot of Hull FC fans would be taking the p1ss. Lets face it the recent signings of Nicklas & re-signing of Netherton have been mocked many a time however they both have SL experience.

I may be proved wrong when it comes to Waller, some people who come on here will have never seen the kid play so like to hear peoples opinions. Personally I've seen him play for Skirlaugh on several occasions & he looked no better than other props in the national conference certainly not a barnstorming aggressive prop his 6'5" 18st frame could be. Looks to lack a bit of ticker when the going gets tough. But who knows Eorl Crabtree has openly admitted he wasn't 'tough' in his early career & Tony Smith's desire to toughen him up nearly drove him away from the game.

All I can go on is my opinion & that is Waller is not good enough for SL, that doesn't mean if he signs he won't play SL but I see nothing in him that I don't see every saturday afternoon locally apart from a large frame.

p.s. If you'd like a more positive non 'binning' the player off opinion. The yes he's the next James Graham/Sam Burgess & is the best prop in the championship with interest from the NRL and all top 4 SL clubs............Then when he turns out not to be you'll be one of the disapointed ones!!! No need to build players up anymore then there is to 'bin' them off. Tommy Lee for example was gonna be a world beater even though he never was & then when this was proven he got grief when in reality we've had far worse over the last decade & the fact he's still in SL shows he wasn't as cr@p as some made out.'"


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Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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