Now she's going to have to come up with a reason to ignore your points that doesn't involve the amount of time you've spent watching Horne. Spoilsport.

I makes you wonder what the hell Agar would have done with a player like Cooke, that long pass out would have really confused our present coach

Horne isn't average. Don't get me wrong he is no world beater either. There are other stand offs I would rather have. He is a good player capable of moments of brilliance so for me that makes him more thanaverage

and that is fair enough Paul, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it, as are people who disagree.

"Judgement" of a player is down to comparison, compared to the best stand off's playing (and who have previously played) the game he is "average", compared to his current peers he is good, in my view the problem is that he isn't "good enough" for a top 4 side.

If we hadn't given him a contract do you (or anyone else) honestly, believe Wigan, Warrington, Saints, L**ds, Huddersfield or Catalans would have come in for him, I don't.

explains signing Long(term sick)

Horne in my opinion should be used from now and onwards as a utility player. He has never shone at 6 and will never be any better in that position. 2012 season needs to be a new half back pairing with the closed season used as intensive training for both new halfbacks. We need new blood in both positions therefore I hope that Ellis and Seymour are used in those positions for next season. Horne can be utility and when injury occurs to the regular halfback(s) one of the youngsters is brought in to cover.

I do not think he had a choice when caretaker, Cooks ability/impact spoke for itself on the pitch and his role helped produce the results.
I agree on Agar delegating roles and responsibilities to certain players and I feel this has had a massive detrimental effect on our offence. Agar favours a safe game, hence his love of playing a forward in a a pivotal position (Fitz 13). Westy has been an inspiration to us as he loves the off the cuff stuff and we certainly see results from his style of offence. The scary thing is most of our success recently appears to come from off the cuff and not set plays...Agar really is useless!!

Exactly. Sharp tried similar with Dykes.

We simply can't afford to be so reliant on having our first choice playmaker if we want to be a succesful side. Hopefully with Ellis coming in as well as Seymour, Westerman getting more and more involved (fingers crossed from loose forward permanently next season), and the change of coach we are all praying for, we will move away from that.

There would have been plenty of interest, from who I honestly don't know.

The thing is we are not a top 4 side yet. Maybe playing with Seymour, Heremaia and McKinnon might really bring the best from him. If not then we can bring in Ellis and drop him. Plus if we get a new coach it might also bring the best from him like Brown has done with Robinson and Brough.

That's why unlike the system at Saints as regardless of the personnel they play the same way. Even when the youngsters are brought in everyone knows their role and the are still effective and competitive.

The stats were brought in because they're an objective way of comparing players. I didn't even post the first ones on this thread. You clearly prefer your subjective opinion. That's fine, but don't try pretending that it's anything else but subjective.

I can tell when someone is losing the argument on here when they have to trot out the line about attending games. You seem to be happy enough to make judgements on other players that you'll only have seen once or twice more than me this season though.

TBH it just makes you look pompous.

Ah bless - does it still hurt?