What score did we end up beating you t’other week?

It’ll be interesting to see what Griffin said. There’s an area between harsh and fair, occupied by “would a Saints player have got the same card for saying the same thing?”

Have Hull started pushing an extra player to their right when defending in their own twenty? I noticed against Warrington at Magic that Wire’s attack going down that side was running into a lot of traffic - but going the other way, Hull looked a bit stretched. Similar in the first half yesterday. Might just be my perception, but I could see sense in it… until other teams work it out.

It is somebody (probably) pretending to be a Saints fan, pretending to be a Warrington fan. Don’t ask me why!

Yesterday was just so frustrating. I never thought we’d win the cup but for me the first half yesterday was set up for the second half to be a humdinger.

You look at the NRL and refs like Nigel Owens. There’s a rapport between players the the ref. All Kendall had to say to griffin was

“I’m refereeing this game, not you. I gave the call I thought was right. Apologise for your language or I’ll send you for 10”

Griffin then has to take his medicine, knows his place and the spectacle isn’t ruined. post game he can get a £250 fine and hopefully learn his lesson

I was out down south last night and was talking to a big bloke in a RU top. Said he watched the game and was enjoying it till the red card. I’m sure there were 1000s like that.

I was at the game yesterday and after most games end up arguing with my dad whos a right referee basher and im generally in the you cant always blame the ref camp but yesterday the ref was atrocious to the point of being bent. Kendall had an agenda and that was to ping FC for everything. Saints getting constant pens 25 from Hulls line, if we got any they was in our own 25. There was nothing in the Fash incident, Saints players arguing with the ref no issues but Griffin sent off, Saints shoulder charges especially the one on Fash going unpunished - the whole thing was a shambles and an official complaint should be put in from FC about Kendalls performance imo

Are the ref’s still miked up? Would be interesting if they are to see if what Griffin said is picked up to justify the yellow and red cards

That's the 3rd time for a griffin, Wigan away in the play offs, Cas in the cup and now this, he isn't learning and deserves a ban. What does he expect to happen by abusing the ref, he isn't going to change his mind and this cost us any chance of winning this game. He will more likely get a ban and if he does he will hopefully learn.

So looks like Hoy, Fash, Tag and Griffin out on Thursday, Clifford, Brown, Gardiner? and Lane with possibly Scott or Lovudua on the bench.

Think this is the perfect time for a "sending off sufficient". He cost his team any chance of winning yesterday, that should be enough for me. If Charnley got away with just a £250 fine last week for taking Clifford out of the game with a head injury, it would seem ridiculous if Griffin gets banned for telling the ref he's doing a job.
If it came out he said something Mcguire-esque and used slurs then fair enough. But if it was just "you're a ing joke" then giving bans for that but not late high shots seeks wrong to me.
He cost us a good chance of winning with his stupidity, that should be punishment enough for me.

Having said that, I do fully expect him to get a ban because, well, RFL. I just don't think he should.
If anybody from the game gets a ban it should be Fash, as although I think it was accidental, he still have a duty to protect players heads and he hasn't done that, and Makinson will now miss a game and a half.

I’ve held my tongue in this thread as fans are entitled to their opinion; but what you have written is beyond the pale.

Let’s start with the Fash incident. It’s a red card every day of the week. Direct contact with the head with the shoulder whilst prone in a tackle. I don’t think it was a particularly dirty play, but Fash went for an aggressive, dominant tackle and got it completely wrong, leaving a player stone cold K.O.’d. I truly don’t understand how Kendall got to on report; because either he’s penalising contact with the head and it’s a red card, or it’s a knock on, there’s really no inbetween. Those calling “oh the ref shouldn’t have sent Griffin off for the sake of the game”; that good grace was used for that tackle.

After we took the 2; you knocked the ball out on the third tackle which Kendall ignored and you took the ascendancy.

Then you have your second try which Kendall sent up as a try; when McIntosh knocked the ball forwards into Mata’utias forearm and it then went backwards to Savelio, which was ignored/ not overruled due to the silly guess work rules refs need.

And then you get to the insanity that was the Griffin incident. Kendall told him to walk away, he kept gobbing off so he sin binned him. He [istill[/i kept gobbing off, and gave Kendall no choice. There is a massive difference between challenging decisions and calling the ref a joke (an abbreviated version of what turned a yellow to a red I believe). If a saints player had done it I would have had no issue with the ref standing a player down like that; it’s a slippery slope in letting comments like that go and it turning into football.

And as a final point on “Saints got penalties close to our line; we only got penalties coming out of our own half”; I could debate the pros and cons of each to be honest, but I think the BBC put stats up half way through the second half that showed Saints had had 4 times more play the balls in Hulls half than vv. You tend to win penalties where you have the ball and Hull had the ball in their own half a lot and Saints had the ball in Hulls half a lot.

I get all fans see biases and inconsistency with refs; the Saints fans have a particular conspiracy with the disciplinary but generally I think that gives far too much credence to the RFL. I totally accept my counter points are a very Saints centric view of things as well, and that the reality is somewhere between the two of us. There were mistakes in Kendall’s game (yep, Batchelor did shoulder charge Fash, should have been a penalty) but they cut both ways, and in the big moments did well enough. Kendall didn’t lose you the game; Griffin did.

On the subject of the card incident I still can’t quite believe the speed at which the cards were issued particularly yellow to red with Kendal, not speaking to Griffin or trying to defuse a genuinely frustrated player. I hope this incident is investigated by the club to find out exactly what was said in terms of words and context.
If Griffin has used extreme language in the short space of time to warrant the card then I hope the club deal with this suitably and internally. If it’s found that Griffin hasn’t used language to warrant a either card and Kendal has over reacted to being questioned about his decisions or the manner of that, then I would hope the club and RFL take action and Kendal is dealt with again suitably. If it is the latter then I fear nothing will be done as there is no transparency or accountability.
I agree that the officials should be shown respect by players but that is also a two way street.
For me Kendal seems to be someone that isn’t able to communicate with people well or manage situations. He seems to have somewhat of a superiority complex when he has a whistle in hand. He is not the only one in the current list of officials in the U.K. game. There a certainly a disconnect from the officials to the players with no rapport or communication skills. They appear to speak down to the players rather than a mutual respect and act like Victorian school masters.
I’m not going to scapegoat Griffin as he will know that the cars changed the game in St’s favour though I have little doubt St’s would still have won.
For all the ones saying it was stupid arguing a decision that had no affect, I’d say it seems it was more a frustration of the difference in the decisions through the first 40.

People keep saying Griffin should have walked away but to be fair he was walking away. He said about 6 words to Kendall in passing and then walked off. Kendall had to call him back for his yellow card. Griffin then walked away again, said 2 or 3 words and Kendall again had to call him back for a red.
He 100% should have kept his mouth shut but he was trying to leave the pitch at the time. It's not like he was hanging round and shouting in Kendall's face.
After the initial yellow card it could have been some as simple as " sake" that Griffin said to himself. That surely in no way would warrant a red? Could have just been something that Kendall misheard was directed at him rather than Griffin just moaning to himself.
I can handle the yellow but as others have said its the sheer speed at which it turned to a red which is baffling and we would all like some more clarity on. Likelihood is we will never actually get it.

Somebodies just told me that FC have won only 16% of games that Kendall has refereed out of 30 matches in total - only 5 games won - something fishy there

As you say you have a saints centric view of the game as anyone would expect. However you state about the decisions you say Kendal got wrong so are you accepting that Kendal officiated well or poorly?
I accept that Griffin getting carded handed the tie in your favour however no one knows what was said for certain and are unlikely to.
The Fash incident you see as a red card but after viewing it several times Fash has his arms trapped in the tackle and Percival’s arm appears to holding Fash. All players in the tackle stated going to ground and as they land on the floor unfortunately contact is made but I defy anyone to be able to avoid contact when you are wrapped up in a tackle. And falling with the momentum.
Makinson on more than one occasion along with Dodd were more than vocal to the officials during the first 40.
The shoulder charge by Batchelor as you mention was completely ignored along with the off the ball incident late in the game with Walmsley appearing to intentionally run at Fash off the ball.
Every fan will see things differently to an opposing fan but Kendal had a shocker and is a poor official
There seemed to a be difference in how St’s could slow the game down compare to Hull as neither team seemed to be much different at all yet Kendal saw it differently, even the 10M seemed a different measurement between the sides.

Personally my opinion is the officials here are very poor in terms of being able to communicate with players and manage the games. They have very little personality and some to seem to view themselves as far superior. The officials no longer seem to have the ability to talk to players and there is a big disconnect there.

There's no defence over Griffin. People are showing bias here and on Twitter. Imagine if it had been Welsby or on another day Sam Tomkin or Elliot Minchella. Nobody on here would say it was harsh.

Griffin is old enough and experienced enough to know better, you don't question the referee or use foul language even if it's not at the referee's face. Actually, he appears to brush against Kendall which will go against him. Given his previous and recent record I would expect a ban of one or two games.