Imo i think he would have to make an improvement on last season so top 4.If not then it's time to say bye bye and get someone in who can take us to the top.

He should have to get us higher than the 6th place of last season and also show some real signs of squad improvement for next season.

In reality, I can't see us finishing any higher that 7th-8th.

Personally i think a play off place IS a cracking result but I expect a top 4

excellent reply , very balanced answer and one everyone should buy into

Thought it was a thread about shopping in York.

Not sure a play-off place is a cracking result. Looking at the squad we're probably the 7th or 8th best side in my opinion and if we don't make the play-offs there would be some massive questions to answer.

surely thats a contradiction of itself isnt it?? if you think were the 7th or 8th best then surely to you a playoff place would be a relief ??

I agree 100% but our squad isn't good enough to challenge for the top 4 and Agar has probably got more chance of a contract extension than the sack.

If he made top 4 he would deserve it 100% too

How is it a contradiction? If I think we're the 7th or 8th best that's where I'd expect us to finish. A contradiction would be me saying we've got the 4th best squad but expect us to finish 7th or 8th. The one thing I do think - and before you jump down my throat, it's only my opinion - is that we're not top four material.

The Top 2 squads are without doubt Wigan, Warrington. Leeds and St Helens are much the same, but both Leeds and St helens have new coaches., Huddersfield have better coach and half back options, but not sure a better squad. I would say Ours and Hull KR s squad are much the same too. Fully fit, Long is a far better scrum half than Dobson will ever hope to be, Blake green is an unknown, just like us using Turner at standoff. where we do lose out is coaching as Justin Morgan is better than Agar.

1. Agree

2. Plus better forwards of which some are in their prime.

3. Obviously Im not going to agree to that

4. Maybe some time ago but certainly not now!!!

So, if we subscribe to the theory, expounded by some on here, that all we need is a better coach. Then, why have these similar squads acheived the same, or worse, as us?

I think our squad would do better with a better coach, but just changing the coach would not turn them into a top 2, trophy-winning side.

Despite what some think, there is more to it than that.

re name the thread "crystal ball reading"
FFS agar got us to the playoffs last year and this season hasnt even started yet give over !!!