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| Who need stats to tell them that a guy who has represented queensland and australia 13 times each and won the clive churchill medal is better than danny houghton?
stats are for s
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Who need stats to tell them that a guy who has represented queensland and australia 13 times each and won the clive churchill medal is better than danny houghton?
stats are for s'"
Ah the reputation factor. Robbie Fowler played for England. Does that make him currently better than Marcus Bent? (and i'm not arguing that Houghton is better than Berro)
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| Quote: T "Yup, unclear methodology and possible inconsistencies etc. Doesnt automatically mean they are worthless though imo. (i work a lot with stats aswell) It can be equally dangerous to discount stats that you dont trust as it can be to trust stats that you maybe shouldnt imo.'"
I agree with the general point, but in this case it's not about trust as such - it's about the fact that none of us has any idea about how these stats are collected or even defined. With such a complete absence of information they are pretty much random numbers.
Quote: T "I'm not trying to prove anything. Trying to provoke a debate on a chat forum. Failed!
Which is why I used the phrase 'shed light' rather than 'prove'.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Who need stats to tell them that a guy who has represented queensland and australia 13 times each and won the clive churchill medal is better than danny houghton?
stats are for s'"
Technically all that proves is that he [ihas been[/i a far better player than Houghton.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Ah the reputation factor. Robbie Fowler played for England. Does that make him currently better than Marcus Bent? (and i'm not arguing that Houghton is better than Berro)'"
I'm sure if robbie fowler were about 10 years younger and still playing at the top level he'd be better than marcus bent.
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| Quote: Kosh "I agree with the general point, but in this case it's not about trust as such - it's about the fact that none of us has any idea about how these stats are collected or even defined. With such a complete absence of information they are pretty much random numbers.'"
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. There more interesting to debate that having no stats at all.
Which is why I used the phrase 'shed light' rather than 'prove'.
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| Quote: Kosh "Technically all that proves is that he [ihas been[/i a far better player than Houghton.
Technically my eyes tell me he's streets ahead of where houghton is ever likely to get to in his career
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm sure if robbie fowler were about 10 years younger and still playing at the top level he'd be better than marcus bent.'"
and the point you missed...
Quote: Jake the Peg "Technically all that proves is that he [ihas been[/i a far better player than Houghton.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Who need stats to tell them that a guy who has represented queensland and australia 13 times each and won the clive churchill medal is better than danny houghton?
stats are for s'"
I totally agree he is a better player hands down, however he has not produced that form for Hull FC, barring a few glimpses of his brilliance.
For the record I believe he played more Representative rugby at Centre as opposed to Hooker, and I when I have seen him play centre for FC (Not often) I can understand why, he was very good.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "I totally agree he is a better player hands down, however he has not produced that form for Hull FC, barring a few glimpses of his brilliance.
For the record I believe he played more Representative rugby at Centre as opposed to Hooker, and I when I have seen him play centre for FC (Not often) I can understand why, he was very good.'"
See what i started now. I should have kept my interesting statistical link to myself.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Technically my eyes tell me he's streets ahead of where houghton is ever likely to get to in his career'"
I tend to agree. I was just indulging my fondness for pedantry.
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| Quote: Kosh "I tend to agree. I was just indulging my fondness for pedantry.'"
I agree too. I just found the statistical information interesting.
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The only straps he's hit since he joined us are those holding his fragile shoulder in place. (awaits the tirade of absue)
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