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| Sounds like Leeds Rhinos are set to appoint Lee Gilmour to their coaching set-up.
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| Today was totally unacceptable and has been replicated so many times through Radford's tenure. Record losing streak, consecutive highest SL losses.
Any other coach would have been relieved of their duties a long time ago. Radford cannot simply dine out on his CC wins forever.
This is not an opinion based on 5 games of a new season.
This is probably the strongest team that Radford has assembled at great cost but yet we produce the same dire rugby with the odd flashes of brilliance and the same shocking results.
That was one of the strongest teams we could have put out today, there are no excuses, that team should have been competitive for a full 80 minutes and not thrown such a lead away.
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| Quote: UllFC "I dont beleive thousands will walk away, but theres clearly a good 4-5k who are 'interested' in the club and will go to the big games like the derby but not 'standard' home games. We need more of these fans to be passholders if we ever want to become a consistent top team and to not have Pearson funding losses.
For a few years now youve been more likely to see a loss than a win at the KCOM, and often the games have been atmosphereless and dull. Today was an interesting game in fairness, but there isnt a great vibe in the stands again.'"
Agreed. My point is that I doubt there's cash available now to do pay offs and trade ups. Maybe change will happen at the end of the season if it is going to.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Agreed. My point is that I doubt there's cash available now to do pay offs and trade ups. Maybe change will happen at the end of the season if it is going to.'"
But that's the point you don't know.
Why would you need a payoff on a rolling contract?
Adam has made a huge investment in the playing roster, he now needs to replicate that investment in a coach now whilst the season is not yet over.
To get a change now is a must in order not lose floating fans and pass holders for next season and to see some return on his money.
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| Quote: Bombed Out "But that's the point you don't know.
Why would you need a payoff on a rolling contract?
Adam has made a huge investment in the playing roster, he now needs to replicate that investment in a coach now whilst the season is not yet over.
To get a change now is a must in order not lose floating fans and pass holders for next season and to see some return on his money.'"
Surely it depends on the length of the rolling period? It could be 12 month rolling for example. If you think AP has the means to and will fork out for severance, and to get a release of this mythical top class coach wanting to come to Hull FC, and the associated incremental salary for him and his team, well, that's lovely. I doubt it will happen personally.
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| Quote: IR80 "why would Powell leave Cas'"
Never said he would. Instead of just saying "Radford out" I thought would say who I'd like as coach or look at trying to get in
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| Every single year clubs in a worse financial position than us change their coach when things aren't going well. If Pearson can't make the funds available to get the right coaching set up in place then he shouldn't be in charge of a club like this. It's literally the most important part of any team.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Every single year clubs in a worse financial position than us change their coach when things aren't going well. If Pearson can't make the funds available to get the right coaching set up in place then he shouldn't be in charge of a club like this. It's literally the most important part of any team.'"
Well, maybe we should select the best qualified candidate from the group of alternative owners waiting to invest.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Surely it depends on the length of the rolling period? It could be 12 month rolling for example. If you think AP has the means to and will fork out for severance, and to get a release of this mythical top class coach wanting to come to Hull FC, and the associated incremental salary for him and his team, well, that's lovely. I doubt it will happen personally.'"
AP has a decision to make as either he sticks with Radford for the rest of the season and sees another season & missed opportunity wasted. Or he makes a bold decision and says thanks for your efforts but you’ve had more than enough chances.
Either is a gamble granted but the club will I feel do better for making the change than another season of excuses. The fans backed the club due mainly to the players recruited and the hope that brought. It’s been pretty clear for the past few seasons that LR had taken the club as far as he could and the evidence is there now in the last 4 games. That hope for me is evaporating fast as nothing has changed in the way we play and the buck stops with LR.
Carrying on with LR will I fear do more damage than making a change now.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Well, maybe we should select the best qualified candidate from the group of alternative owners waiting to invest.'"
Firstly, you have no idea who might want to invest in the club should the opportunity arise. For all we know there might some really good candidates. But anyway, that's not really the point. I don't believe that we don't have the funds to change the coaching set up. We aren't talking about Trent Robinson here. An up and comer with some new ideas just out of his apprenticeship would be fine by me (I like the suggestions of Craig Fitzgibbon and Matty Head) and wouldn't be madly expensive. If Pearson has thrown all of his resources at the playing staff when there are question marks over the coaching staff then that is a big mistake from him. Although, as I said, I don't believe that's the case.
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| Quote: Chris71 "AP has a decision to make as either he sticks with Radford for the rest of the season and sees another season & missed opportunity wasted. Or he makes a bold decision and says thanks for your efforts but you’ve had more than enough chances.
Either is a gamble granted but the club will I feel do better for making the change than another season of excuses. The fans backed the club due mainly to the players recruited and the hope that brought. It’s been pretty clear for the past few seasons that LR had taken the club as far as he could and the evidence is there now in the last 4 games. That hope for me is evaporating fast as nothing has changed in the way we play and the buck stops with LR.
Carrying on with LR will I fear do more damage than making a change now.'"
I understand your views. My point is that I feel AP has made his 2020 choices backing Radford and this squad, and that the cost required to enact any change, even more so one requiring a material investment, may not be achievable this season.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Firstly, you have no idea who might want to invest in the club should the opportunity arise. For all we know there might some really good candidates. But anyway, that's not really the point. I don't believe that we don't have the funds to change the coaching set up. We aren't talking about Trent Robinson here. An up and comer with some new ideas just out of his apprenticeship would be fine by me (I like the suggestions of Craig Fitzgibbon and Matty Head) and wouldn't be madly expensive. If Pearson has thrown all of his resources at the playing staff when there are question marks over the coaching staff then that is a big mistake from him. Although, as I said, I don't believe that's the case.'"
I sort of disagree on the last point as I think he knows he leverages what is a relatively cheap but highly committed coaching team that have won silverware twice. Fitzgibbon and Head are both inexperienced, more so than Gentle was. If a change were to happen I'd rather we did it in a longer term managed way at the end of the season than pulling the trigger 5 games in and scrabble about for quality.
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| Would two games have made any difference to your verdict on Radford?
Let's say, hypothetically, we win that Semi final against Warrington last year and get back to Wembley. And let's say we beat 1 of either Salford or Huddersfield or St Helens at home, at the back end of last season and make the top 5. Do you think you would be in a different mindset right now?
For all the criticism, we were not a million miles off, and I believe he's improved his squad this season from last, enough to have an even better crack at it.
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| Quote: giddyupoldfella "Would two games have made any difference to your verdict on Radford?
Let's say, hypothetically, we win that Semi final against Warrington last year and get back to Wembley. And let's say we beat 1 of either Salford or Huddersfield or St Helens at home, at the back end of last season and make the top 5. Do you think you would be in a different mindset right now?
For all the criticism, we were not a million miles off, and I believe he's improved his squad this season from last, enough to have an even better crack at it.'"
Let's say, hypothetically, Sneyd skews one of the kicks at Wembley and we dont win that challenge cup......
You can change any scenario to suit an argument, but for me, this same rhetoric has been consistent for the last 3 years now and its becoming boring. Its only the coaching staff that hasn't changed in that time
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| Quote: giddyupoldfella "Would two games have made any difference to your verdict on Radford?
Let's say, hypothetically, we win that Semi final against Warrington last year and get back to Wembley. And let's say we beat 1 of either Salford or Huddersfield or St Helens at home, at the back end of last season and make the top 5. Do you think you would be in a different mindset right now?
For all the criticism, we were not a million miles off, and I believe he's improved his squad this season from last, enough to have an even better crack at it.'"
I've been hearing we're not far off for years. It's the same as let's give it 'til Easter and who's available if we let Radford go. These and other tired reasons for not doing anything are why we are where we are. What was it Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results. Change needs to happen.
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