The 'who, what have they ever done' bit is nonsense especially in the context of how people reacted when we appointed Rich Agar. Plenty of people condemned the decision but plenty took the 'he deserves his chance' attitude, deserves it on the basis of what? is the question I found myself asking repeatedly.

Here's one for you, if we pretend that there aren't any better coaches in the NRL and pretend we couldn't possibly recruit a coach from an existing SL team... then there is absolutely no reason why Karl Harrison is coaching in the national league and Rich Agar has a SL job.

Don't get me wrong I don't want him as our coach but there's an extremely strong case to be made that Harrison is far better and more suited to coaching us than Agar and it illustrates how sorry our coaching situation is at the moment.

It's not nonsesne, it's how people reacted and the point was Brown or Maguire can hardly be classed as top coaches. Also I did not say we could not get better in the NRL, I have already stated we could.

Is that your answer then, get rid of Agar and appoint Harrison. Oh dear!

You lost any credibility you had when you mentioned Harrision.

That was so predictable.. you know aswell as I do that Harrison has a better coaching record than Agar and he did it with far fewer resources. That was the point I was making and why I clearly stated that appointing Harrison wasn't my answer.

Re Maguire and Brown, the supporters stomached the Agar appointment despite him having no track record of head coaching at the top level, it's reasonable to say therefore that the supporters would have been far more pleased with an appointment from the NRL even if they hadn't pulled up any trees there or actually been head coach there. As it turns out they would have been right to be!

Why? I never said I rated Harrison but...

FC favourite and GB International Vs. No top level playing experience

Experience as assistant at successful Bradford Bulls Regime vs. Experience as assistant at two failed FC regimes

5 years at Salford, extremely limited resources but highlight of a 6th place finish and one playoff appearance vs. 2 1/2 years at Hull FC, spending at full cap, highlight of a 6th place finish and one playoff appearance

Relegated with Salford vs. Finished in relegation position were it not for expansion and abolition of P&R

Norther Rail Cup Winner vs. ?

Neither man comes across in the media as being the 'sharpest tool in the shed' but Harrison at least has charisma and the ability to command respect.

Other than the ability to convince the board that he's the man for the job what does Agar have over Harrison?

Nothing they are both poor

does anyone know how many passes have been sold, been very quiet from the club

Exactly! But Harrison has the better record so it illustrates my point that Agar is nowhere near the best man for the job, even the best immediately available in England. Don't worry when I win the euro millions I won't be appointing Karl Harrison

Don't know but since the club haven't announced the lucky 5000th winner yet it's safe to assume it's below that.

I know where you are coming from, I dont rate Agar as a coach, but just replacing the coach is not the answer. I have said many times before we need to have a good clear out of the coaching staff as a whole and start fresh.
The problem we will have when a new coach comes in is if we have the same staff working under him they are already stuck in a rut and it is very hard to change what you have done for years, it takes time and a new man in charge has little time to show he is getting things right.

Exactly how I see it Paul.

And for reference, I never wanted Agar to get the job in the first place so am hardly a fan of his.

We need to bring in a coach/DOR who has carte blanche to completely change the playing side of the club from top to bottom. It won't ever happen under the current regime