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I also think if we were unbeaten and sitting on top of the league, it would kill some posters in here.

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "We beat Wakefield next weekend and Wigan beat Cas (neither result out of the question) we would be third outright.

That said, we lose and Catalans win at Saints we'd slip to a lowly sixth place.'"


You're joint 6th now, if results go as you predict and end up 6th, at least you aren't getting any worse..icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "I also think if we were unbeaten and sitting on top of the league, it would kill some posters in here.'"


Again - can't disagree! I think some posters are only happy when there's something to criticise (Oh oh, I may now be accused of being someone's 'bumchum') eusa_eh.gif

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Quote: Homenaway "Again - can't disagree! I think some posters are only happy when there's something to criticise (Oh oh, I may now be accused of being someone's 'bumchum')
Like I say, there’s always something to moan about. I’m as guilty as that as anyone. Sometimes though you have to take a step back and acknowledge what we have.
We’ve retained our big hitters, made a few errors in recruitment and retention this year which will hopefully be put right next year.
We’re one of a few English clubs that can regularly attract crowds over five figures
We’ve also got an owner who I don’t believe will settle for being second best.
We’re not perfect, but we do get a lot right.

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What we have produced so far is just about borderline acceptable. We have put in a handful of good performances but also embarrassed ourselves a few times. I know you can only beat what's in front of you as they say, but I can't help but feel we are only in this position by default due to other teams problems. Wakefield and Cas have had it just as bad if not worse with injuries, and don't have the resources we do, yet are ahead of us. The quality across the league is poor and third place is there for the taking.

Not impressed but not too disappointed either. At least we are there or there abouts, but we need to find another gear in the second half of the year.

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "I’m not a happy clapper (and still not totally convinced by LR), but a bit of perspective is needed.
It was apparent early on that this was going to be a transitional season.
The heavy defeats are really disappointing, but we’ve had equal highs in the Catalan and Good Friday games. Plus we’ve signed up our playmaker for three more years.
I’m not unhappy where we are. Top five would be an achievement for me, with some proactive recruitment taking place, which will fill in the gaps which are clearly evident.'"

Great summary. Shaul, Sneyd, Connor, Griffin, Carlos (and maybe Kelly) signed up, good nucleus of backs there. The forwards needs some serious work but it's underway. As you say Top 5 would be an achievement, certainly beyond what I expect.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Great summary. Shaul, Sneyd, Connor, Griffin, Carlos (and maybe Kelly) signed up, good nucleus of backs there. The forwards needs some serious work but it's underway. As you say Top 5 would be an achievement, certainly beyond what I expect.'"


Alright then, you say top 5 would be beyond what you expect, so that suggests you think at least 5 teams are better than us (or at least should be better than us). Which 5? And considering we finished 3rd in 2016 and 2017, why would you suddenly be so happy with 5th?

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "What we have produced so far is just about borderline acceptable. We have put in a handful of good performances but also embarrassed ourselves a few times. I know you can only beat what's in front of you as they say, but I can't help but feel we are only in this position by default due to other teams problems. Wakefield and Cas have had it just as bad if not worse with injuries, and don't have the resources we do, yet are ahead of us. The quality across the league is poor and third place is there for the taking.

Not impressed but not too disappointed either. At least we are there or there abouts, but we need to find another gear in the second half of the year.'"


We certainly do, question is whether we have one. IMO we have the backs/halves. Our forwards need to find something we haven't seen yet this year though.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Alright then, you say top 5 would be beyond what you expect, so that suggests you think at least 5 teams are better than us (or at least should be better than us). Which 5? And considering we finished 3rd in 2016 and 2017, why would you suddenly be so happy with 5th?'"

Saints
Warrington
Castleford
Wakefield
Catalans

I never said I would be "so happy" with 5th, I said it would be more than I expect. As said, we have the backs/halves but Taylor carried our pack last year and continues to do so. Our props as a group, particularly if you discount Bowdeb and Green as no-shows, are just not a match for other sides in that list and we need a platform. Let's not reopen the Watts wound but...

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "I also think if we were unbeaten and sitting on top of the league, it would kill some posters in here.'"

How would it?

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Saints
Warrington
Castleford
Wakefield
Catalans

I never said I would be "so happy" with 5th, I said it would be more than I expect. As said, we have the backs/halves but Taylor carried our pack last year and continues to do so. Our props as a group, particularly if you discount Bowdeb and Green as no-shows, are just not a match for other sides in that list and we need a platform. Let's not reopen the Watts wound but...'"


Saints and Warrington goes without saying. They simply have better players than us. The Castleford squad is similar to ours in terms of quality, but Powell gets the best out of them. So I agree with those three. In pre season when we were making predictions they were my top 3. Injuries could derail Castleford, they have had some poor results themselves, but so far they are doing ok.

Catalans blow hot and cold. They beat the top 2 but have looked like a championship side at other times. Given that they always struggle away from home I would be disappointed if we end up behind them. Again their squad is comparable to ours in quality.

Wakefield just simply shouldn't be expected to be ahead of us. I don't really like the phrase "accepting mediocrity" that gets thrown around on here, but I can't understand how you can be expecting to finish behind Wakefield and be content with that. Chester has done a great job with them and there are some players there that would walk into our team. But they don't spend full cap, they play in a wreck of a ground with modest support, they have a squad comprised mostly of cast offs who failed elsewhere (we are one of the bigger contributors here) and they currently have a worse injury situation than we do.

Personally I consider 5th to be our minimum target. If we can't do that despite some big clubs having terrible seasons then we have failed, and questions have got to be asked.

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Quote: Irregular Hoops "I also think if we were unbeaten and sitting on top of the league, it would kill some posters in here.'"

That is absolute rubbish. All I and many others want is for our club to be successful, indeed for a club with our support level in the premier uk competition we are arguably quite unsuccessful. Every time we seem to be about to achieve it all goes downhill. Winning the challenge cup is great but to be the best you have to win Super League, we are currently where Saints where a few years ago (seen as it was mentioned earlier), good players but inconsistent and needing that magical ingredient, Saints went and got their magical ingredient and backed him with top level recruitement, FCs management always seem to shop in the 'cross our fingers and pray' store ala Lee Radford, indeed he sort of got us there, then the inconsistency crept back in along with poor signings - for next season if we sign mediocre players and Radford doesnt show big improvement (which hes not shown hes able to do so far) then we'll almost be back at the level we were at the end of Gentles tenure over five years since that ended

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Joint 3rd after 12 rounds. I was not expecting that. icon_smile.gif

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Joint 3rd lol
We are way behind the Top 4 and Cats could argue they should be above us

We’ve had a bigger demolition done on us than we did to Rovers and they are garbage
What does that say about us
GARBAGE

If you think joint 3rd (5th out of 12) is good enough then you must love being average
However middle of the road people eventually get run over !

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Quote: Tinkerman23 "How would it?'"


Because there’d be no reason to come on here.

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