The RFL need to make a clear and unambiguous statement on just what the VR is there for.
Ganson is, through his actions, rapidly turning the game into a lottery
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There is a simple answer, scrap the VR.

As long as you're committed. His tackle wasn't dirty as such, he was trying to hit Shaul as soon as he got the ball and got it wrong. Masi's I don't think warranted a yellow but it was needless and a bit of a cheap shot. A lot of refs would have sin binned the Shaul tackle and maybe not sin binned Masi. It's open to interpretation. You can complain about lack of consistency all you like, but it's very hard to get right, no two tackles are ever quite the same.

I get what you're saying but there is mistimed and there is mistimed, Taulapapas wasnt just slightly mistimed he was intent a cleaning Shaul out ball or not, if there is a duty of care and responsilbility by the players making a tackle then whether its early or late should make no difference. Taulapapa was careless and reckless and was a damnsight worse than Masi of which you see a dozen or so times. The game is just a bloody mess thats to the total inconsistency and poor standards of officiating and hardly any accountability for the performances, its not like they are professional officials is it.........................oh hang on a minute they are and have been for long enough to be a damn sight better. The VR for me if it canm't be used at all games should be scrapped as it is now causing too much controversy as it been used for way more than it was brought in for and certain players are now using it to gain an advantage.

I am often angry about the ref at the end of a game but after calming down and maybe seeing some replays conclude that decisions all even out in the end. After yesterday’s game I’m more and more annoyed. Washbrook deserved to be sin binned but McCarthy Scarsbrook consistently lashes out at tacklers without punishment. Houghton was unlucky; the finest scientific brains around could not predict where the ball handler will end up when two human bodies collide at speed and are then joined by two others. Matongo was treated harshly compared with the Saints player who took out Miloudi off the ball early in the game. On two occasions late in the game Saints players failed to roll away from the tackle and interfered with the play the ball but were not penalised. Smacks to me of an agenda by Thaler.

I have no issues with the three sin-bins. Masi & Washy were daft, Houghton unfortunate. There are always going to be mistakes made by refs in real time, it's a thankless job.

The real issue I think it having the big screens at games with Sky/BBC scrutinising each decision. As fans sat there, we get to see each contentious moment replayed a number of times in glorious slow motion live in the stadium. Every mistake by the ref is highlighted. I think it's now ingrained into RL culture to pick apart every try.

We also see the issue with players play-acting and staying down. They know if they do so that Sky/BBC will fill in the time by showing the replay over and over again, and like with Masi & Houghton in front of a home ground wanting blood, the referee has to act. That means the producers at Sky/BBC can directly influence a game based on the replays they decide to show live at the stadium.

I'd like to keep the big screen at games, but only to re-run tries and great bits of play in real time - there's no need for us all to watch the video ref make his decision (they can communicate directly with the Ref) or replay contentious issues over and over.

I think that LMS has cottoned on to the fact he can get away with sly digs in the tackle,and the officials will ignore it.

I haven't seen the replay yet but my impression was that the Houghton card was unfortunate as he got hit by Connor himself and had nowhere to go. Washy was stupid, but LMS swinging and missing should have been carded too. Masi was late but so was LMS on Kelly. The inconsistency is my main gripe across the board because other than that I thought Thaler did OK, with the other three refs across the weekend being better.

I think DGM has hit the nail on the head there.

Video Ref's are a useful addition to the game and if used correctly should only bring value to the game. Where we are getting it wrong at the moment is that htye are creating mayhem and are been over used or used for the wrong reasons. My 5 point plan to clear this up would be.

1) VR at every game, or none at all. Games have an advantage if they are on TV ( or a disadvantage dependant on viewpoint) but regardless the status quo of all games isn't the same.

2) If kept, the VR should only be allowed to be questioned on the black and white stuff ( no grey areas, not your team!)
- Grounding
- Offside
- In touch or not ( including kick off bounces etc)

3) Discretionary looks at incidents in games such as head highs/fights to be called by the ref only - and not be shown on replays on the big screen for fans/players to kick off. There needs to be an education piece for referee's for players feigning injury as well to not get conned.

4) Anybody who suffers a head knock because of bad tackles should have to do a compulsory 15 minute head test - that would stop the play acting immediately.

5) Invite former/retiring players into the VR decision making process to start a pathway into refereeing and also see from a players perspective.

Still kinks to iron out, but this would at least give us a strategy moving forward.

FWIW - We can't expect ref's to not make mistakes, simply won't happen. Players continually make mistakes, we don't expect them to be perfect every game so to expect 1 man to control 26 players perfectly every game is la la land. Thaler is one of the better ref's and I thought he let the game flow pretty well yesterday and that breakneck pace added to the game

Agree with all of the above. I'd go somewhere inbetween what we have now and what football has, with regards to video/4th ref involvement. As well as the points mentioned, it takes ages too, which detracts from the game as a spectacle, all while the viewers at home have to listen to the idiots on Sky debate a decision for 5minutes.

I didn't manage to watch the Summer Bash games, but I like the theory behind the changes to the VR they introduced. Did anyone watch the games, and did you think it worked?

I watched some games and it clearly didn’t work and showed they still need the video ref in some capacity.

It went ok, I think they went a bit OTT as they could not look at a couple of things such as tough in goal or offside. But it certainly quickened up the VR process which I think we can all agree on certainly helps.

They didn't disband the VR spuercat though, so were always going to be examples where they are needed. Like I say, it shouldn't be too difficult to ensure the VR only adds value and not contention, we as a game just have a great way of making easy things extremely difficult

And when Kelly was taken off the ball twice when kicking on the last tackle was nothing done.
Similar to the Masi tackle which he was carded for

No, ref was right there. The ball carrier can't go over/past the tackler and play the ball into him, which happened two or three times late on in the game. The ref's stamped that out earlier in the season when there was a spate of it. If they play the ball where they are tackled it's a penalty, but if they move to avoid the player underneath them, they can't play the ball into them and get the pen.