|
FORUMS > Hull FC > COHA |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 283 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2021 | Apr 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
33902_1297340097.gif :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33902.gif |
|
| The COHA was a completely terrible idea from the start.
Scrap it, now!
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 865 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2018 | Dec 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: The Dentist Wilf "
I have never been a fan of this whole idea, but accepted Adams reasons for doing it. But I think our owner was a bit too trusting of our partners in this ...'"
This is how I feel. I very much appreciate a lot of what Pearson has done for the club but this has to be one he got wrong. The key word is trust, something that is quite impossible when Hudgell is involved and frankly I'm surprised at Pearson's lapse in judgement there.
Its going to be tough to untangle this mess as the RL was in on it. The other clubs must be rolling over laughing at this mess and I certainly haven't seen any other merged academies - nor do I expect any soon either.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 8180 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
8082_1359018606.jpg I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8082.jpg |
Moderator
|
| The joint academy was a crazy idea from the off, I wouldn't even say good idea in theory. What's even worse is having anyone involved that has been so anti Hull FC and publicly.
Unless the RFL increase teams in SL next season Rovers unlikely to come back up.
The experiment for want of a better word just hasn't worked and should be scrapped.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2490 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2015 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.[/size:3idnpzvq]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73680.jpg |
|
| I was quite vocal in being against the merged academy when it was first announced. Most of us saw it for what it was, a cost-cutting exercise, and in the process we've sold part of the clubs identity & got into bed with a lower league club run by a bloke who has an innate hate for Hull FC and questionable morals.
This exodus to Cas is the first real tangible proof that the academy isn't working. It's time to cut adrift the poor relations & start funding the academy properly.
| | | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8593 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Unless we announce a new intake list with the top talent from Hull, mixed with some kids from Yorkshire, then this is a big wake up call about the failings of the COHA. Ok, results have been quite good, towards the top of their league, but this isn't a good sign
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5410 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
34340_1322737278.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34340.jpg |
|
| Quote: DGM ".
This exodus to Cas is the first real tangible proof that the academy isn't working. .'"
Is it, or is it that young lads feel they will get more of a chance at senior level under a coach like Powell? Both Hull and Rovers are awash with overseas players and generally when one leaves another comes in, we are all aware that the number of young local players who make it in teams is far from impressive.
To be honest even if we were in SL and I had a lad in the academy and Cas came calling I'd by him a car and a tomtom
| | | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 25774 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: barham red "Is it, or is it that young lads feel they will get more of a chance at senior level under a coach like Powell? Both Hull and Rovers are awash with overseas players and generally when one leaves another comes in, we are all aware that the number of young local players who make it in teams is far from impressive.
To be honest even if we were in SL and I had a lad in the academy and Cas came calling I'd by him a car and a tomtom'"
We have 7 overseas players, Cas 6 (I think). Radford is as good if not better at bringing young players through as Powell, in Powells 3/4 years in charge how many players has he brought in from there academy to play 10 plus games a season.
It is a concern, but there is nothing to stop the signing for the COHA when they are 16 or either team when they are 18.
On another note I've seen a few teams announce on twitter which young players have signed professional terms, be nice if we could do the same.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8593 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: barham red "Is it, or is it that young lads feel they will get more of a chance at senior level under a coach like Powell? Both Hull and Rovers are awash with overseas players and generally when one leaves another comes in, we are all aware that the number of young local players who make it in teams is far from impressive.
To be honest even if we were in SL and I had a lad in the academy and Cas came calling I'd by him a car and a tomtom'"
Who has Powell brought through from the Academy? Cas, just from the top of my head, have Monaghan, Webster, Roberts, Millington, Moors, Sene-Lefao, Jy Hitchcox plus Springer from Catalan (and Larroyer). They have bought Hardaker, Eden in this season too - so where is their history of youth development? They are as "awash" with overseas players as us, perhaps more so
Compared to Hull - Shaul, Logan, Rawsthorne (albeit via Halifax but by no means a first team player with them), Fash, Matongo, Turgut, Bowden, Hadley, Downs, who have all had game time this year alone.
| | | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5410 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
34340_1322737278.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34340.jpg |
|
| Quote: Wilde 3 "Who has Powell brought through from the Academy? Cas, just from the top of my head, have Monaghan, Webster, Roberts, Millington, Moors, Sene-Lefao, Jy Hitchcox plus Springer from Catalan (and Larroyer). They have bought Hardaker, Eden in this season too - so where is their history of youth development? They are as "awash" with overseas players as us, perhaps more so
Compared to Hull - Shaul, Logan, Rawsthorne (albeit via Halifax but by no means a first team player with them), Fash, Matongo, Turgut, Bowden, Hadley, Downs, who have all had game time this year alone.'"
Maybe just how it seems but from that list of your players Shaul and Bowden have made it with Hull the rest will be shipped out probably never to return. Now whether that's them not being good enough or if just a perception of how it goes who knows.
There's also the matter of how much they are being offered as a wage, is it considerably better than they are currently getting paid.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 714 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2017 | Aug 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
cartoons/WD03.gif :cartoons/WD03.gif |
|
| Quote: Dave K. "Short term we are ok, we have some great young players in the reserves and 19's.
Are the current 16's the ones that aren't ring fenced?'"
The current under 17's age group ( first year of under 19's ) and above are ring fenced. All the under 16's and below are for the clubs to argue over
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2490 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2015 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.[/size:3idnpzvq]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73680.jpg |
|
| Interestingly, Netherton confirmed on twitter that 7 of the Hull lads that signed with Cas U15's were offered CoH scholarships and that there were various reasons for them doing so.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2490 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2015 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.[/size:3idnpzvq]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73680.jpg |
|
| Quote: barham red "Is it, or is it that young lads feel they will get more of a chance at senior level under a coach like Powell? Both Hull and Rovers are awash with overseas players and generally when one leaves another comes in, we are all aware that the number of young local players who make it in teams is far from impressive.
To be honest even if we were in SL and I had a lad in the academy and Cas came calling I'd by him a car and a tomtom'"
Sometimes perception isn't quite the reality.
There's no doubt that Powell is incredibly good at taking players in and improving them by moulding them to fit into his game plan seamlessly.
However, their record for bringing through youngsters isn't special under Powell. Milner & Holmes maybe, although both are 25ish and knocking around the 17 when Powell arrived. Maher? Other than that, a few youngsters have got a game here & there. I'd say a youngster has more change of game time under Radford than Powell based on the past few years.
If Hull are "awash" with overseas players, then I'm not sure what adjective to use for Cas' overseas contingent: Roberts, Moors, Hitchcox, Springer, Larroyer, Webster, Millington, Sene-Lefao, Monaghan. Hull have 7, fyi. Of course, not all count a Non-Fed, but this is a debate about youngsters & the blocking of their path to the first team.
Then look through the rest of the Cas team. Cook, McMeeken, McShane, Minikin, Hardaker, Gale, Eden - all brought in.
I'm not trying to criticise Powell or Cas, but I refute the statements that youngsters will have a better chance under Powell, and the assertion Hull have more overseas players.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 801 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2016 | 8 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
MIKE SMITH- THE BEST CENTRE HULL HAS EVER MADE!: |
|
| the problem with academy players at fc is that you would have to be exceptional to get anywere near the first team, and with no 23s competition they want to play somewere, im sure if a future star emerges the hull coaching staff would recommend a good contract , the maybees tend to drift away and some late developers resign, it would be in fcs best interests to have their own academy at the moment,but with numbers down at youth level less likely to have many make it, surprised sheens hasn't given more game time to oakes/harris at the lower level, every game in superleague is a pressure game hence injuries only chance, it needs scrapping or reorganising so both clubs benefit
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2490 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2015 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.[/size:3idnpzvq]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73680.jpg |
|
| Quote: rover 2000 "the problem with academy players at fc is that you would have to be exceptional to get anywere near the first team, and with no 23s competition they want to play somewere, im sure if a future star emerges the hull coaching staff would recommend a good contract , the maybees tend to drift away and some late developers resign, it would be in fcs best interests to have their own academy at the moment,but with numbers down at youth level less likely to have many make it, surprised sheens hasn't given more game time to oakes/harris at the lower level, every game in superleague is a pressure game hence injuries only chance, it needs scrapping or reorganising so both clubs benefit'"
Scrap it. Now you're a lower league club again, there's no value having Rovers as a partner. We can go back to having our pick of what is a shallow player pool in the city, and you can go back to not having an academy/feeding off our scraps.
| | |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 801 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2016 | 8 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
MIKE SMITH- THE BEST CENTRE HULL HAS EVER MADE!: |
|
| Quote: DGM "Scrap it. Now you're a lower league club again, there's no value having Rovers as a partner. We can go back to having our pick of what is a shallow player pool in the city, and you can go back to not having an academy/feeding off our scraps.'" the initial idea was both chairmen wanted to save money, their faults entirely , not the fans of either club, im sure we all want the same , our own academies ,whether good bad or indifferent that's the general feeling from a keen supporter, as for the scraps no problem as long as you send the odd josh hodgson across that's fine
| | |
| |
|
All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.
Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.
RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.
Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM
You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.
Please Support RLFANS.COM
3.89404296875:5
|
|
POSTS | ONLINE | REGISTRATIONS | RECORD | 19.65M | 1,994 | 80,155 | 14,103 |
| LOGIN HERE or REGISTER for more features!.
When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
|
RLFANS Match Centre
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1 | | PLD | F | A | DIFF | PTS |
Wigan |
29 |
768 |
338 |
430 |
48 |
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Hull KR |
29 |
731 |
344 |
387 |
44 |
Warrington |
29 |
769 |
351 |
418 |
42 |
Leigh |
29 |
580 |
442 |
138 |
33 |
Salford |
28 |
556 |
561 |
-5 |
32 |
St.Helens |
28 |
618 |
411 |
207 |
30 |
|
Catalans |
27 |
475 |
427 |
48 |
30 |
Leeds |
27 |
530 |
488 |
42 |
28 |
Huddersfield |
27 |
468 |
658 |
-190 |
20 |
Castleford |
27 |
425 |
735 |
-310 |
15 |
Hull FC |
27 |
328 |
894 |
-566 |
6 |
LondonB |
27 |
317 |
916 |
-599 |
6 |
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1 | | PLD | F | A | DIFF | PTS |
Wakefield |
27 |
1032 |
275 |
757 |
52 |
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Toulouse |
26 |
765 |
388 |
377 |
37 |
Bradford |
28 |
723 |
420 |
303 |
36 |
York |
29 |
695 |
501 |
194 |
32 |
Widnes |
27 |
561 |
502 |
59 |
29 |
Featherstone |
27 |
634 |
525 |
109 |
28 |
|
Sheffield |
26 |
626 |
526 |
100 |
28 |
Doncaster |
26 |
498 |
619 |
-121 |
25 |
Halifax |
26 |
509 |
650 |
-141 |
22 |
Batley |
26 |
422 |
591 |
-169 |
22 |
Swinton |
28 |
484 |
676 |
-192 |
20 |
Barrow |
25 |
442 |
720 |
-278 |
19 |
Whitehaven |
25 |
437 |
826 |
-389 |
18 |
Dewsbury |
27 |
348 |
879 |
-531 |
4 |
Hunslet |
1 |
6 |
10 |
-4 |
0 |
|