whatever happens it wont alter the fact that Silverwood and Bentham will have nothing done to them> Their incomptence which they show week after week will go unmentioned.I hope against hope that this incident should wake up everyone and make them sort these refs out. We pay bloody good money to watch a sport not a ref. Perhaps if they stopped coaching on the pitch and got on with reffing this problem wouldnt arise.

Jonathon Walker (Castleford) on Luke Burgess (Leeds) 13.8.10

Have a look at this incident on YT and tell me how this differs from Sam's case. Note the explanation as to the reason why Walker was not charged

Case Number ON/599/10
Name Jonathan Walker
Club Castleford
Shirt Number 31
Match Castleford v Leeds
Competition Super League
Date 13/08/10
Incident considered High tackle on Luke Burgess in 79th minute
Decision No charge
Details of Charge / Reason for NF Player used legal shoulder charge. Point of collision accidental

According to someone on Twitter, Tommy Lee has pleaded guilty and takena 2 match ban. Fair play to him if so, although I don't really think he had a case.

Shoulder was into the body, they then accidentally clashed heads.

Difference with Moa is that he did make contact with the head (with his shoulder), the issue is whether he hit the shoulder first then head, therefore intent will be nill and he may get sending off sufficient. If he has hit the head first they can still argue no intent due to Rinaldi's body position but depends on the panel.

I actually don't think Lee's tackle was that bad. Having watched him play for years, thats how he tackles. He plants his feet and swings his shoulder/arm (usually into the chest) obviously he got this very wrong this time. But I don't share the view it was malicious. Also, Briers on the replay seemed to look for the ref before closing his eyes and dropping the ball. As we saw with Rinaldi, once your hit, you're out.

I don't want to get a hammering, I am ambivolent to the incident so have no axe to grind except my own opinion. Anything that has not been reviewed by the disciplinary this season is pretty pointless because there is new direction and objectives each season as well as rules and modifications.

So, I think this is a test case for the 2012 season to see how this is going to be viewed. This will become the precedent as opposed to there being previous presidents to hold this up against.

The guess work will be over by the time we have our corn flakes tomorrow.

I hope you're wrong

Unless something new has been introduced about this type of tackle then previous decisions are entirely relevant.

Didn't Clark say in his commentary that "you cannot do that no more" ? . I've not been aware of any changes myself.

Which means you can

No he said, but you are allowed to shoulder charge. It did sound odd the way he said it and i can understand if people took it the wrong way.

Check YT sam moa big hit and you clearly hear what Clarke says.

I feel pretty confident in saying that he will get a ban and for the simple reason that he does not play for the big 4.

Personally, it was a fair hit and feel if it hadn't been on sky and the Lee incident wasn't fresh, then it wouldn't have gone any further.

Hit his shoulder then followed through to his head as he ducked/fell to the floor, and it wasn't reckless, it was a great hit.

he said "you can't do that in rugby league but in rugby union you can"

Try again