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| Quote: downtheante "Can't we dig out an old Sharp thread from somewhere that shows how much we all loved him on here?'"
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Hi Everyone,
First of all I'd like to introduce myself, I'm 26 years of age and I've been a full-time FC fan for 5 or 6 years now, although I have fond memories of being taken to the Boulevard as a child by my grandad. Due to the fact I'm usually based in West Yorkshire I am unable to attend every match but I would say on average I make it to around 50% of games per season, the majority of which are away games.
I've read this message board with interest for a number of years but have never felt compelled to post myself until now, so aswell as saying hello I want to take the opportunity to lay my cards on the table with regards to my feelings over the current goings on at the club.
I should start by saying I'm a firm member of the 'Agar Out' society. Without wanting to go over too much ground thats already been covered on this board at length, I could see no justification for appointing the man in the first place and since he was given the role I cannot see a single shred of evidence to suggest that he should remain in the role. The man is clearly out of his depth and has failed to demonstrate any tactical awareness or motivational skills in his time in charge and it is my opinion that him and his assistant Jon Sharpe are essentially running the club into the ground.
Agar's sympathisers continue to trot out the 'it's not his team' line and suggest just because some better players have been signed for next season that he 'deserves a chance' to manage that side. I am not prepared to tolerate my beloved team being used as a guinea pig and personally don't feel that Agar deserves much credit at all for next season's signings, anyone with even limited knowledge of our sport could see where the major shortcomings in our squad are, and the line given to us by Mr Rule that Agar was instrumental in persuading these players to sign is frankly nonsense in my opinion, these players have come for the money and/or length of the deal on the table, which is the nature of our sport these days. I will leave it there with my feelings on Agar but I could go on for hours (he can't speak properly, looks scruffy, insults the fans etc etc etc).
Anyway the main point of this post is that Rule (a man I also feel is way way out of his depth) has backed Agar to such a ridiculous extent, with his 'chef's ingredients' analogys etc (Agar isn't fit to be a pot washer!) that he must take responsibility himself. I feel that because Rule has tolerated a win % of 30 odd percent, increasingly appalling performances on the pitch and regression in the abilities of our better players that if he gets his wish and Agar is allowed to stay until next season he has to resign himself when Agar inevitably falls on his sword a few games into next season. By this point it will be a 3rd season down the drain and the extent to which Rule has backed this no-hoper means he is just as responsible as Agar for our downfall and would surely have to go himself.
Apologies for the length of this post, I look forward to any responses and future debates on this forum!
Thanks for reading,
Uncle Junior'"
I agree with much of what you say about Agar but he's the reason that Rule has such a tough time. If the results were good , if Agar was , lets say , more media friendly ( could speak English etc) then Rule could be left to do the jobs he should be doing and is good at. Morgan does most of the spin and media work at KR. I can't see that keeping Agar is anything to do with Rule , the board yes but not Rule on his own. It doesn't really matter what he thinks , what can he do slag him off?
It's a fait accompli , we're down a blind alley , we've no choice but to keep Agar now or at best end up with Sharp instead. The Board got it wrong when they sacked Sharp P , they did then what we want them to do now and bow to fan pressure to do "something". They should have waited. They shouldn't have appointed Agar. I find it difficult to believe anything Rule says at the moment and bet he does too but unless he joins the Agar out brigade he's got to back him. He's part of the problem in that he was part of the process that got us to where we are but until we get a presentable coach and a squad pulling together he's frankly p1ssing in the wind.
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| p.sharp will be back,when the new owners come in.fact
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| Quote: Robbo4 "Your cuddle club membership is in the post
Bl00dy hell, 6 posts and he's invited into the club. I'm still waiting after 6,000 (most of them rubbish, admittedly)
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| Quote: newington15 "p.sharp will be back,when the new owners come in.fact'"
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Bl00dy hell, 6 posts and he's invited into the club. I'm still waiting after 6,000 (most of them rubbish, admittedly)
You're already a Junior Robin, what more do you want?
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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club.
Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you.
"Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005: |
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| Quote: downtheante "Can't we dig out an old Sharp thread from somewhere that shows how much we all loved him on here?'"
Didnt mind him tbh.........got sacked for less than what Agar is upto.
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| If anyone thinks that our CEO makes decisions on hiring and firing coaches they are well out of touch with things. He like everyone else does as he is told and I am going to amaze a few people with my next comments.
He has done a good job all things considered.
1) He took over in the wake of the cooke saga and steadied the ship
2) He took the blame over the Thackery registration and it was not his fault
3) The club is clearly operating on a good business level, I think even the harshest of the clubs critics would agree with that.
4) He is articulate and has clearly demonstrated a high level of commitment to the club and by that I mean the board.
5) He is loyal to his employer and that is not a crime, the board pays his salary not us muppets.
Agar is one problem
Jimbo is IMHO not
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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club.
Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you.
"Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005: |
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| Quote: Ian P "If anyone thinks that our CEO makes decisions on hiring and firing coaches they are well out of touch with things. He like everyone else does as he is told and I am going to amaze a few people with my next comments.
He has done a good job all things considered.
Man the treches and get your tin hats on.........Here comes the barrage.
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Downtheante said: "Firstly: Why shouldn't I compare him (Agar) to Fergie (Sir Alex Ferguson)?":46188.jpg |
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| Quote: ChrisH "I agree with much of what you say about Agar but he's the reason that Rule has such a tough time. If the results were good , if Agar was , lets say , more media friendly ( could speak English etc) then Rule could be left to do the jobs he should be doing and is good at. Morgan does most of the spin and media work at KR. I can't see that keeping Agar is anything to do with Rule , the board yes but not Rule on his own. It doesn't really matter what he thinks , what can he do slag him off?
It's a fait accompli , we're down a blind alley , we've no choice but to keep Agar now or at best end up with Sharp instead. The Board got it wrong when they sacked Sharp P , they did then what we want them to do now and bow to fan pressure to do "something". They should have waited. They shouldn't have appointed Agar. I find it difficult to believe anything Rule says at the moment and bet he does too but unless he joins the Agar out brigade he's got to back him. He's part of the problem in that he was part of the process that got us to where we are but until we get a presentable coach and a squad pulling together he's frankly p1ssing in the wind.'"
Interesting perspective on Rule's position, Ian P also. However, if it is indeed the case that he had no part in Agar's appointment and has no power to sack him then he has simply accepted that it is part of his remit to be a 'lightening conductor' for the wrath of fans. Thus by being prepared to continually back Agar in the press and on the radio he deserves the flack that he gets for this aswell as the damage to fans perceptions of his intelligence and ability to do his job. I accept of course that he's in a good, highly paid job and it's understandable that he doesn't want to lose it and therefore has to tow the party line, but as a consequence of this he has to accept the resulting criticism.
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| Quote: andymacca "What confuses me is. Sharp had a better win % then Agar, and had had notable success with us, GF in 06 and 4th in 07. Yes, 08 was not looking good and he had 'lost the dressing room' but he like Agar had the Franchise safety blanket also so we wouldnt of being relegated last year. We played better rugby under Sharp, though I admit it still wasnt great. It just seems like one rule for one and one for another...pardon the pun'"
I think the board have realised that they probably got rid of Kear and Sharp too hastily...so are deciding to give time to the coach that really doesn't deserve it in a bid for stability.
Whilst i was in favour of Sharp going (I think he had really ran out of ideas and physically appeared drained and stressed) the rugby we thought was bad then was better than 2009 has been
this clubs got so bad that i'm getting misty eyed for the inconsistent days of Kear, missing the playoffs cos of salary cap breach in 2003, heck at least 1999 had the stress and drama of possibly going down and going bust. This season is just dead rubber all the way now.
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| And if agar goes i wonder who will replace him?
Another donut in sharp
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Downtheante said: "Firstly: Why shouldn't I compare him (Agar) to Fergie (Sir Alex Ferguson)?":46188.jpg |
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| Quote: pedpower "And if agar goes i wonder who will replace him?
Another donut in sharp
Fair point, it's one of my biggest fears that if Agar does get the boot they'll only install J Sharp, but I don't think that's a valid reason to accept Agar staying!
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| Do people think that Hetherington would get rid of Rule considering he is shacking up with her daughter
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| Quote: willowred "Do people think that Hetherington would get rid of Rule considering he is shacking up with her daughter
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