Only one of us is getting excited on this thread, and it ain't me. I've spent much of the last couple of hours laughing TBH.

There's no manipulation of stats going on here, and frankly you haven't yet produced one that supports your argument in any case. You underestimate how much I see of Horne and also overestimate my opinion of him. You seem happy to ignore the fact that many people who see Horne just as often as you do also disagree with you. You go over stuff that's already been discussed and just repeat the same old points no matter how thoroughly they've been countered. You quote stats when it suits then dismiss them when it doesn't. You misinterpret what people are saying.

Now I'm not getting personal, but if you could understand what people post and put together a coherent argument I would take you more seriously.

Night night.

We always miss horney when he doesn't play that's a fact !

Night Kosh

He offers a good running game, his pace hasn't gone (as Friday proved), he has a very good short kicking game, can kick to the corners accurately and is a very good support player. He's got a pass, step and dummy, and with better support and dummy runners these aspects of his game become less predictable. I'm not the only one saying these things, maybe it's possible?

Yep. I'm not his greatest fan but this can't be argued.

He does not have the speed of 2006 but not too bad, his short kicking game is decent however we have other players who can produce this as well, I disagree with the pass he does the predictable inside pass (now this maybe down to Agar), Horne was never the one with the pass that was Cookies. He is one of the best support players out of a bad bunch, we simply do not produce much support generally as a team. His step and dummy are my most frustrating area tbh it is not good and predicatble and he is more than often caught out presently, although as Carl pointed out this maybe due to his extra responisbilities and could possibly improve if he got out wide.

I don't personally think this happens too often, certainly not significantly more than any other halfback in SL 1-on-1.



He's not as quick as he was over distance, but he's by no means slow either. I can't see him going the length of the field on a regular basis, but he's still quick enough to get far enough through a gap to feed supporting players to finish off tries, we're just poor in this area. I'd back Horne in a race against Briers every time, but Briers has the benefit of teammates flooding forward either side of him when he breaks through.



Simple answer, don't make him responsible for field-kicking. I still can't get my head round why our coaches can't grasp this concept. I'll never blame a player for not have a good kicking game, I blame persisting in using them as the kicker when it's clearly apparent they haven't. Horne's attacking kicking game in the opponents' half is actually good, just give the long kicking to someone else.

chase wont be coming to fc, horne has a two year contract, some are happy some clearly aren't! can't the mods lock this thread please? just going to go round and round this thread

I just can't agree. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's nowhere near as "average" as you make him out to be.

Spot on. Although I would say that he isn't as quick as he once was over distance.

He is not great or not poor so the only thing I can call him is average, maybe a bit harsh but no other way to describe his performances, had some good games also had some poor ones.I would love him to be great again and hope I will eat my words next year!

I would say it definitely is down to Agar, as it's not unique to Horne. Obst also does it, as does Washbrook (who also shares the same dummy/step issue), and it was pretty much all Tommy Lee did by the time he left us. It's a pathetic 'tactic' which relies on your opponent's defence being abysmal and consistently all at sea, hence why the superbly organised Wigan the other week kept us at bay fairly comfortably no matter how many times we tried it, even whilst playing well below their best. It's a strategy completely unsuited to us IMO, because in general we have one of the slowest play-the-balls in SL.

Cracking post. We look totally lost without Horne.

Chase is great to watch but if had more defensive responsibility would he be as god with ball in hand?

Yeah but other than that what else does he offer.