With posts like that you should really post more. As Agar is such a huge fan of stats (Well when they show something positive) it is good to see that others can actually see he just is not up to the job.

My whole thoughts on this are quite clear. Agar is not good enough and never will be. The team plays dire rugby which is illustrated by our points scored in the league. If you look at the whole make up of the squad its just a mish mash of . If there is any form of plan for the team then i cant see it. Too many ageing players that will have to be replaced within two years. A pack full of foreigners who at best will prob leave after a couple of years anyway meaning more rebuilding. Both half backs finished and need replacing though we'll probably go down the Ozzie route again and the cycle will continue. The team is a complete and utter mess and will not win a thing for at least five years.

That's all well and good Paul but what about next season ? Is that just going to be written off as another season like this one ? Maybe make the eight and get one play-off game, suffer with the same HB problems with Long never there and Horne totally anonymous whether he's there or not.

We've clearly missed out on some good signings for next season and with Agar still in charge and a very similar squad, it is very difficult to be even remotely optimistic about 2011.

Getting a proper and proven coach immediately would be a good start to this "5 year plan"

and i get abused when i use stats!!

Excellant post, well thought out and researched. Well done mate.

I don't understand how you say this season was written off after the amount of money we spent on the marquee signigns of Long, Fitz and O'Meley.

You do Statto but not from me!



Not beaten a team by 31 points or more in 3 years is alarming.

The win ratio and net points difference gives a real indication of our negative playing style under Agar. It kind of backs up my rants at the start of the year about boring rugby.

Well, that's because I didn't say that !

Next season will be written off as one with the odd good performance/result but ultimately, no chance of silverware (like this one)

16 wins this year is a decent return, especially as you continued to struggle to consistently put out a settled hb pairing. Unfortunately for Agar the season drifted a bit at the end (although he couldn't have afforded a slow start to the year) and the play-off defeat came against the worst possible opponent - it wouldn't have been so bad vs Huddersfield, for example. A victory would have been against the best possible opponent, of course, and then the memories would have been more of the rousing double over Saints and three (or even 4!) derby wins. Though hard not to today, it is unfair to judge progress on one game - and I'd think the same if you'd won and were getting carried away with Old Trafford here we come threads.
That said you are very one dimensional, struggle to be at your best consistently and if you want to be competing on an even footing with the very best teams you need to squeeze more value out of the cap.
The stats post was fair and interesting, but Agar only took over midway through 2008 iirc, so is the end of Sharp's reign being included there?

I'm saying that with the same players he would have achieved less

Nice as it is for us that you have enlightened us with your thoughts, not one of us who wants rid of Agar are saying it based on one match. We have been dished up pathetic rugby for several years now. Very few of us if any can see an end to the current style or form. Enough is enough now. Agar stated he would be judged on results and would walk if he felt he had failed. Well if he is true to his word now is the time to go so that we can start a fresh in November when the squad start training again. That said I am certain if he did do that Last would be head coach by xmas.