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| Quote: Lang Park "Agree with Mrs B. It was always likely that Cats would win some of their home games and make it difficult for us to hold onto 7th.
We can still do it, but we need to find an 80 minute intensity we've been missing all season.'"
Catalans have a very strong squad, been hamstrung with multiple injuries for long periods this year coupled with poor away form. It's a shame for the comp IMO, would have liked to have seen them push Huddersfield out of the top 4 and maybe spring an upset.
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| There was something to play for...pride and also the mathematical chance of still making the top 4.
IF we had won the Cas & Leeds matches we'd be 5th 4 points behind a sliding Saints and a game against Hudds to come and no doubt a certain amount of dander/hope going into the last 4 matches.
All academic now as losing the match against Cas was the nail in the coffin but there was definitely something to play (and still is) in the S8s.
As for the suggestion of removing points and starting at zero, halving points, giving descending one point differential from 1st to 8th...wow, beyond stupidity.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "There was something to play for...pride and also the mathematical chance of still making the top 4.
IF we had won the Cas & Leeds matches we'd be 5th 4 points behind a sliding Saints and a game against Hudds to come and no doubt a certain amount of dander/hope going into the last 4 matches.
All academic now as losing the match against Cas was the nail in the coffin but there was definitely something to play (and still is) in the S8s.
As for the suggestion of removing points and starting at zero, halving points, giving descending one point differential from 1st to 8th...wow, beyond stupidity.'"
So you think only the last two defeats have cost us potentially finishing third and one game away from the Grand Final?
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Would you be saying that if Hull finished 4th and were reset to zero along with a team who finish 8/10 points behind you?
If Hull didn't want these last 3/4 games to be meaningless then they should've won more games in he regular season....not relay on a technicality to level the points up.'"
I think this is beside the point and you have to take away everyone's loyalty to their club in this argument because this point could be applied to every club and we could say everyone should of done better to improve their final league position, but we know that that's not possible because not everyone can win every game they will always be a draw,winner and loser so you finish where you deserve to finish in the league.
I think a lot of people's argument with the new system is that the RFL said that every minute of every super 8s game would count but this simply isn't true as has already been pointed out on here that once we lost to cas then we realistically had no chance of making the 4 thus making our other 6 games meaningless(for us anyway), so only a few games in the all new exciting system has proven to have its flaws already.
But I don't think resetting the points to zero is the answer as well as I do think you should be rewarded for finishing higher but I'm not a huge fan of the new system or the playoff system anyway, I think it goes without saying we need the grand final as it makes for a great spectacle and show piece for RL but I think it should be just the top 2 after the regular rounds that should contest the grand final, having a top 8 or 6 playoff system just promotes mediocrity as teams like us see it as a success to finish in the playoffs when we should all be striving to be the best and finish in the top 2, then the bottom of super league would play off against the top of championship in a grand final style game for a place in the super league.
I think the RFL/SUper league sometimes over complicate things to try and make the game more exciting when sometimes keeping things simple is the best way.
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| The new system was contrived to allow a reduction in the number of SL teams, so fewer teams had a bigger share of the pot, a Super8/top 4 playoff to increase the number of games back to where they were before, and bringing back relegation, in name only, as the chances of promotion are pretty remote.
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| 6/7/8 have avoided any possibility of relegation. That's their prize in this format.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "6/7/8 have avoided any possibility of relegation. That's their prize in this format.'"
And of course avoided the additional cup match in the next season.
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "And of course avoided the additional cup match in the next season.'"
... the rearranged game will now be played at the same time as the club challenge. It took the RFL a year for common sense to prevail - unless rovers win the cup, of course.
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| For anyone who might be wondering...
Quote: RFL "The annual clash between the First Utility Super League and NRL Telstra Premiership will involve the First Utility Super League Champions, the First Utility Super League League Leaders Shield Winners and the Ladbrokes Challenge Cup Winners.
If a Super League club was to win two of the three trophies this season then the third World Club Series place would go to the First Utility Super League runners up.'"
They haven't said who will qualify if Leeds win all 3 trophies, which is more than likely.
Super League runners up is mentioned, but the other place could go to the Grand Final loser, or maybe the Challenge Cup loser.
Of course, the Super League runner up could also be the Grand Final loser, so...............
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "So you think only the last two defeats have cost us potentially finishing third and one game away from the Grand Final?'"
The thread title is 'Super 8s points' my comment is regarding points/matches relating to that period of games hence why I never mentioned previous defeats and their effects (which is obvious to everyone).
HTH.
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| Quote: ccs "For anyone who might be wondering...
They haven't said who will qualify if Leeds win all 3 trophies, which is more than likely.
Super League runners up is mentioned, but the other place could go to the Grand Final loser, or maybe the Challenge Cup loser.
Of course, the Super League runner up could also be the Grand Final loser, so...............'"
Quote: ccs "The Grand Final runners-up will take second place if Leeds clinch the league leaders' shield and the Rugby Football League's board of directors will select the third Super League participant if Leeds become the first team since St Helens in 2006 to complete the treble.'"
.....mmmm
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| Quote: ccs ".....mmmm'"
Saints or wire again then if its a leeds v wigan final
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| So the suggestion is to make the end of the regular league season a bunch of dead rubbers for the top instead by resetting the points in the Super 8s? Doesn't seem like a good solution to me. It rewards mediocrity.
In fact, that's been the issue with SL since the licensing period started and the switch to Top 8. We've been rewarding mediocrity. Low and behold, that's what we got: mediocre games in the regular season that had little meaning, and poorly attended play off games that didn't feel deserved.
The solution? Play better next year. Not everyone deserves a prize.
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| Quote: airliebird,runninglate! "Top gets 4points
2nd 3
2nd 2
And 4th 1 so they have reward
Rest reset. Extra home game for top 4 as well. Enough of an incentive to aim for top four. But not dead for 3 teams by round 2 like this yr'"
Sounds reasonable,waste of time as it is now.
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