Good statement in itself

This debate just typifies why we are in this situation and currently 8th in the table. It was plain to see before the season started our squad was not top 2 material and would have to play above itself in order to have any chance of success otherwise we would have to settle for mid-table at best.

So back to Craig Hall. There is no doubt he has some attacking talents, good feet and a bit of pace and seems to have a knack of getting over the try-line (something not many of our players seem to be good at).

But lets be serious for a moment. We all want this club to be challenging Leeds and Saints at the top of the tree & from winning at Cardiff in 2005 this should have been the springboard to kick-on and join them two as regular challengers for silverware. But the simple fact is we have gone backwards. Whether Craig Hall is deemed to be 1st choice or not he is playing regularly for the 1st team so judging by that he is the best we have got at this current time. This is in no way a personal attack on what is still a young man with a lot to learn, he has reached a level as a player that many of us would only get to dream about so talk of him being useless and rubbish just aren’t true, he is a good player. Whether he is a good player at SL level I aren’t so sure.

He is far too lightweight, too many errors, makes poor decisions and generally fills me with dread everytime the ball comes near him. But for a club who want to be challenging at the top end I really feel he isn’t good enough. Sure maybe at full back he has been left more exposed but do we really see us moving forward or up the table with Craig Hall as a 1st choice centre for the club?? Especially when you look at other clubs centres, I for one would put all of these in front of Hall if they were at this club.

Gleeson, Carmont, Gafa, Webster, Chev Walker, Kris Welham, Shenton, Gidley, Whaturia, Lawrence, Gibson, Senior, Bridge, King, Sykes.................basically just about any other centre in SL. You only have to look at Webster & Chev Walker across the river, there physical dominance over someone like Hall is clear to see (as much as it pains me to say that).

exactly, in 2005 we had Briscoe, Raynor, Yeaman, Whiting, Blacklock as our backs, 2006: Tony, Raynor, Yeaman, Domic, Blacklock with Briscoe used as cover

players like G Horne and Hall would have been no where near either back line, but in 2009 they are first choice in this inbalanced squad.

If only Hall was the problem worth all this attention.

He's not the problem, but he's currently a significant contributor to our problems. Coughing up the ball cheaply in your own half is asking for trouble and he does it far, far too much.

Nowhere on the pitch for me. Back to the reserves until he can up his game.
Do you not remember him at wing last season? One word, poor.

Spot on. His confidence is utterly shot to the point of fear. Get him away from first team exposure and back to the reserves to prove himself. To keep him at full back in front of his own fans when he is scared to chase back for a ball or catch a spiralling bomb is madness and will destroy him.

Keep him out of the spotlight. Put Thorman there, cancel Motu's contract which is a drain on squad levels and resources and for fuxake, find a playmaker!

Agreed, Hall is far from an issue. And no dilemma in my book, keep him and play him centre or don't play him. He will be destroyed if we continue this crap.

Who would you put at FB?

put thorman at FB and have tommy lee at 7.

Yup

Reardon.

Out of Thorman and Horne i'd move Horne to FB and have Washy and Thorman in the halves, with Whiting at 13.

sounds ok but still don't want thorman!

He's not as bad as Agars tactics are making him look!!