Agree with all this Dave.

Ninth is a reasonable target. We will not trouble the play offs but the aim is to compete in every game and firm up that defence. Conceding an average of 34 points per game is just not acceptable.

We need to massively improve our fitness and conditioning and it seems like this is Cartwright's immediate priority.

Still being in with a chance of winning games at the 60 minute mark, too many times this year teams have blown us away early doors, then we show a little bit of fight after and maybe get a consolation try or two or tighten our defence up, it'd be nice to still be competing around 60 mins to keep fans interest up!

Stop the half assed effort and performances. There have been a few games we have been competitive in and lost which shows it doesn't take much to be there or thereabouts in games. Put the same effort in against london as we did against wire and wigan and we probably win.

Improve fitness, discipline and defence would go a long way for this squad. Attitude and confidence next.

Still some holes in the squad for me at centre, wing (assuming ropana plays fb) 2nd row and prop. We're either at the bare bones in each or relying on kids

Agree think better coaching and players which we have signed will only get us so far and probably 8th at best, definitely still need some depth and quality in the areas mentioned to challenge the play offs.

Small steps though, we are in a massive mess this season.

I think realistically to see a structured & cohesive team that fights for each other no matter whether the first or 79th minute. A huge improvement in both fitness & discipline, not just in terms of less penalties conceded but the basics such as our line speed, intensity etc. Also a significant improvement in our all round attitude as a club both on & off the field.

Top 6 for me isn't currently an achievable goal given the dogs dinner we are and the squad assembled so far, however I do think that 8th place should be the minimum requirement.

Looking at our squad I just don't see who it could finish above apart from Cas, Hudds and Wakey.

But you never know in sport, particularly if we can get some of the things sorted that have been mentioned, which really should be the basics, such as structure and fitness.

Personally don't think Leeds are all that to be honest so do think Cas, Hudds, Wakey and Leeds are all teams we should realistically be targeting finishing above. Think their current 7th place is more of an indication of just how poor Catalan have been in the latter stages of this season than Leeds being decent.

If we get the fundamental basics right, real structure to our play and big improvement in fitness/conditioning then I do think a target of 8th whilst a big ask is realistic and where we should be aiming the bar.

answer to the title is simple for me; Survival with our super league position intact! Perhaps some wanting amongst the group some passion for the cause and some accountability from the players towards the fans.All of which would be completely new innovations after this season.

Disappointed with the shortness of this post DW.

I would like to see improvements in fitness, attitude, discipline on a week by week basis. I'm hoping we see a big step change in work ethic and organization. I'm hoping that when each weekend game comes around the players look as if they have been working during the week to improve their game both collectively and individually. Rather than, as has been the case this year, looking as if they have never met each other before and have no idea what the objective of rugby is!

In short, whether we win or lose, I want to see us being a competitive side once more. Stop these towel-throwing hammerings which have become the norm over recent years (this year especially). At least do themselves justice.

I do think our recruitment for next year has been largely dictated by our situation, attracting decent quality to the club was probably very difficult in recent months. Anyone half-decent and in their prime years will most likely be looking for some signs that, as a club, we have turned the corner before committing themselves to us. As such, we've had no choice but to sign up 'experienced' players and some with scratchy injury records. But if Cartwright can instil a far better work ethic through the squad then we should hopefully start to see some improvements on the first steps back on what is likely to take some time to redress the many errors committed in the club's name since 2016/17.

If we can win 9 games next year (1 win 3 basically) then I would view that as a decent par given where we are at right now. Anything above that, admittedly slightly low threshold, would be positive. Anything below will constitute another year's hard viewing. We clearly are not going to bound into the top three in one solitary leap, and I think we need to be realistic about what the next couple of years may hold for us. And I think most fans are aware it's a long road back and we are going to have to be patient, yet again!!

On top of everything already said so far, would really like to see continued improvement from some of the promising youngsters we've seen this year, and hopefully a couple more to debut next year and show the same type of enthusiasm and potential.
It's about time some of this potential was turned into genuine quality SL players, and I do believe in this current group we have certainly 2 or 3 that could hold down starting positions for the next decade if they work hard and continue to improve; Martin, Balmforth, Staveley certainly. And then Barron, Moy, Charles not far behind.

That's the thing, don't mind losing, there has been a few games this year that I enjoyed despite us getting beat (Leeds H, Warrington H and Salford A, spring to mind)

I just want to see a team that is competitive, fit and motivated, this will be determined by the success of preseason.
That should be a given, if Cartwright is given the necessary support and resources.
As for the youngsters, I hope they receive more specialist strength training & continue to improve.

Is it just me or is this post too soon ?
How long will it take for fans to get over 2024 before they even begin to think of
2025 ?
I’ve been a Cleveland Browns fan since 1989 and we barely even think about ‘next season’.
The Draft is our Super Bowl !
Well it was until we hired Deshawn Watson and gave 3 first round draft picks away for him.
Only in Cleveland - that may soon become
Only in Hull

Judging my the amount of people posting it's just you.