Effort is always there, game plan and the mentality of the player's is not.

Precisely.

Well on the outside luking in agar needs to use gillette fusion Wat a nasty shaving rash agar has

as usual we seem to be able to get into the danger zone, but converting that pressure into points is proving to be a massive problem. plenty of effort there tonight, but hull need to learn how to score points against the top end teams.

Looks like he has be necking with Kath.

Plenty of effort but simply not good enough.

Wigan were far from their best too.

Totally agree !!

Wigan were there for the taking tonight and a good side would have done exactly that but unfortunately we are not a good side. Plenty of effort, courage and enthusiasm but ultimately not good enough yet again.

It really shows how far the bar has been lowered when Agar is kind of happy that we have "competed with" and "pushed close" a top side at home.

We really are a very average side in many ways.

With comments like that from the top is there any wonder we are not good enough.

I had to switch the TV off as I can't afford a replacement. What a numbnuts.

We should be thankful to just be on the same pitch as them eh!

Up to now I've managed to not rate Agar as a coach without actively disliking him as a person. Over the course of the last few weeks I've developed itchy knuckles whenever I see his face or hear his voice. I just want to give him a slap or a good shake when he comes out with his increasingly unrealistic wafflings.

I've felt exactly the same for a long time. I've wanted him to leave our club for too long but, at the same time, I've thought that he's a nice bloke who tries his best and wants the best for our club. I have now developed something that is bordering on hatred for the guy.

His ineptitude is really hurting my club and I just can't listen to him anymore.

That's another significant deterioration IMO. It used to be that he spoke sense in his post match comments, accurately describing our problems but just not doing anything about them, a la Peter Sharp's latter days. We've now reached a point where he talks tripe as well as serving it up on the pitch.

When a coach has been around as long as Agar has the team will always play in their image, good or bad. Our team is all effort and no brains.

Phil Gould once said " The way a team plays, reflects the personality of the coach!!"

Says it all really!!!