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No, I mean specifically. Like, for example, what does it mean that Berrigan has apparently made 33 marker tackles and Houghton has apparently made 38? Assuming those numbers are accurate (by which I mean I'm not going to bother getting into how a tackle is defined, lets just accept for now that an involvement in a completed tackle, at the point of completion, counts as a tackle) and, for the minute, I'm not even that bothered about the undefinable distinctions in the quality of those tackles, what does it mean that Berrigan has made 5 less than Houghton?

Simpez...Berro=Mr Average

Having looked at that those stats I'm not sure what they show either. I'm no massive Berrigan fan but I'm not seeing how those show Berrigan as being Mr. Average.

I'm not sure what they show, just thought they were interesting and would input to a debate.

Some people have been saying that Houghton has been poor this season but looking at those stats he isnt far behind Berro. (only stats i know)

I've been saying Berro has been too inconsistent. The stats could support a variety of arguements.

It is irrelevant what I post or any-one else for that matter, you have your opinion and others have theirs, my opinion is he is indeed a very average hooker and believe me I know all about hookers roles as my brother was one for the mighty HUll FC......plus I am a qualified rugby coach so I have an idea what I am talking/debating about :wink

Oh and you clearly do not read all my posts as I do contribute more, I just have very little to say with regards to Berro

Yep. They could support [iany[/i argument if you tried hard enough. And that's without even bothering to pull apart the definitions of what they are supposed to measure. So I'm not sure why they keep being brought up as though they somehow have some intrinsic value just through existing.

Stats are what they are. They are used in all walks of life to help shape and inform thinking. They never tell the whole story but if you get a decent set of stats they generally give a fair indications of some things. All superleague coaches use stats to help manage their sides and review other sides. All businesses use stats to forecast and measure success. I'm a fan of using stats to give a wider understanding of whats happening on the pitch each game.

But they don't do that because you have no idea of their veracity and they have no context.

The debate around them gives context. Did you not read the bit about helping to inform and shape opinions? The opinions can only be fully formed with appropriate context.

I posted the stats as they would be of interest to some people and a healthy debate could of followed. Guess thats not the case. I was hoping for a 'so why has Berro only got 1 assist' or 'so how has Danny Houghton made almost as many tackles when he's spent nowhere near the same time on the pitch' etc etc

As i said at the start, the stats were not posted to prove or dis-prove anything. You just seem to fear any stats in case they are proven following debate that Berro is poor.

We've noticed.

I know a thing or two about statistics, and the problem I have with the publicly available SL stats is that there are no definitions of the different categories and no information on how they are collected, analysed, and categorised. This makes them essentially worthless IMO.

Even if you were to ignore these major issues and accept the stats posted at face value, they don't really shed any light on which of Berrigan or Houghton is the better player. Because the relative difficulty of each game varies widely depending on the opposition and conditions, and because RL is a team game with aspects of each players performance dependent on the performances of his team-mates, a simple comparison between two players is flawed from the outset.