Need vs want, entitled vs legitimate curiosity, business vs civic institution, the ability to be concerned about or enjoy more than one thing at a time, blah, blah, blah.

Realistically, SL is, if not dead, in a very, very deep coma as a competition in terms of uncertainty around the ultimate outcome. If I can’t enjoy a little temporary mystery and speculation with my inevitable conclusion, that’s a big old plate of boiled potatoes.

Wonder if , he's continuing to work with Cartwright?? https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ru ... 1718097575

Wonder if , he's continuing to work with Cartwright?? https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ru ... 1718097575

Damn...

Pete Riding leaving confirmed, it looks like Richie may have someone else lined up for the role.

Like Eastenders this club at the moment, so much drama.

Pete Riding - it seems we’re having a real clear out !!
He wouldn’t have wanted to leave so he’s clearly been pushed.

We are in a real Renaissance

Seems as though the club is definitely having a root & branch clear out.

It's an interesting one as the academy feels like the one bit of the club that has actually been working.

That sort of depends which way you look at things. Academy is successful. However it seems when players come into the first team they do not live up to their full potential

I agree but is that because of the losing environment in which they are expected to perform? It is much easier to progress when joining a well oiled team rather than one that is always expected to lose and whose playing style puts them on the backfoot. It obviously must be me, but when I see Saints, Wigan and even Leeds' youngsters, they look like physically developed and robust young men. Our lads, apart from Staveley and in particular the backs, look like boys. Must feed them something different to us.

I do think we have turned the corner a bit with bringing players through, this season Charles, Moy, Martin and Staveley have all shown they have potential to make SL playes. Think that has to be something to do with Riding, hopefully he has put systems in place for this to continue and the new people involved can take it on further

If it had been a few months ago I’d have feared that it was either a cost cutting measure or an argument over cost cutting. I’d agree that the academy and someone with the reputation Riding has would be way down on the ‘fix list’ at the club looking from the outside but if they genuinely feel we’ll benefit from a change then so be it.

Jez Litten for example was around a team and squad that won back to back CC, Josh Hodgson similar. He didn't flourish until he left the club. I don't think it's a winning or losing thing. There is clearly something missing. Since Horne and Yeamo have we really produced anyone of a good/excellent SL standard as these were?

Neither Litten and certainly Hodgson weren't give the chance at Hull to prove they were good enough.