We always leave it way way too late before throwing it around. It's where we look our best. Last 5 minutes we caused a few problems and made the breaks.

You can predict the future now?
As I said on coffee ladies middle 8s thread, we lost 11 games last season and made third.

For me our defence structure has cost us this, just sat back all game and let them play at us. The amount of times we were going high was unreal, at least 90% of saints sets started on there 30 metre and ended in our half.

Just not good enough at all tonight, just didnt look interested in having to roll your sleeves up.

How many times do we see the same comment week after week

Sts had a miles quicker play the ball than us tonight which was the difference.

While you'd hope to win away at some of your rivals having Wigan, Cas, Leeds and Saints away in the first 10 games doesn 't help matters.

Great effort by both sides backing up the Easter weekend. Credit to St's, they ran much harder than us and dominated us territorially with a top kicking game. But we made a decent contest of it. No panic just yet.

But Saints know we are not going to score 3 tries in 5 minutes.Too little too late for me

We'll see who's right at the end of the season. At least 5 teams better than us

We are now a shadow of a team of the last two years. Weve lost our best front row, best second row and best back all at the same time. Now the spark has gone and we are basically a mid table team again

We need skme of the lower teams to start taking points off the ones above us,but I honestly can't see Catalans, Huddrsfield, Rovers or Widnes beating anybody but the teams around them.
We obviously need to start beating the top teams too, but it would just be nice to get a little help from our friends across the river.

I don't know. How many times do you whinge about Josh Griffin? How mnay times did you whinge about Kirk Yeaman?

I agree we don't look as good but I think that is a bit melodramatic.

One differing factor this season is that we have had our first 17 on the pitch for about 1 game thus far. It seems to have been chop and change every week pretty much. We had a pretty good run of injuries in the past couple of seasons.

No idea how we kept that respectable tbh, out-classed. Fair play to Saints their pace and handling ran us ragged. A few tough calls but we never seriously threatened. We miss Watts so much, genuine line breaking prop with great hands, irreplaceable. Hopefully we make the 8 but Top 4 is gone IMO unless we can get our first choice players out there every week. Hope Talanoa’s not out for too long.

Agree with you Jake and you could also say Wakefield are also at our level so you can say we are likely to be 6th or seventh at best