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| Gentle seems to be well thought of in Aus and is exactley what we need IMO.
I still expect him despite what Hudgill says to go to rovers, not sure why just have a feeling.
For him to fly to this country he must have a job lined up, can't see him going to Wakey if he has turned down Cas due to lack of budget as I would guess Wakey would run about the same budget as Cas.
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| Quote: Sheldon "If it's one or two props then hopefully signing one and bringing one through should be a option but all four?'"
Exactly the point I'm trying to make, it's very possible we'll be in that situation. 4 of our 6 signed up forwards are OOC next year, that's not tweaking the pack it's replacing it wholesale.
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| Quote: Tongan Mafia "Yes but u cannot tell me in 2 years they cannot find some props to bring in to replace the old guard?
We need top quality props its no point having abundance of halfs if they cannot get the go forward from the props if we lose either Moa or Ogre to injury next season we are going to struggle. We need quality in that department with experience...the likes of a Peacock, Lynch or Fielden and with them being prop youd get them for a small fee what would be good business. The merchandise adnd passes are right up there and thats when we are rubbish can u imagine the money the club will make if there start to get to finals and god forbid win something?
Your right we probably wont agree but its fun to have a debate with you all the same
See Sheldon's post and my reply.
As for Peacock/Lynch/Fielden on a small fee, that wouldn't be too bad but I don't see why their clubs would do so. And you've change your tune because the other week you were suggesting £100-150k as a good deal for Lynch.
Man Utd's debt is from the purchase by the Glazers. If it wasn't for that they generate enough money for their transfer policy. Pearson's bought us outright, so it's a different case for us. Rugby League has nowhere near the income football has and never will, that's why you don't have the same level of transfer activity, it cannot be sustained long term. The salary cap also restricts how much benefit that approach offers.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "See Sheldon's post and my reply.
As for Peacock/Lynch/Fielden on a small fee, that wouldn't be too bad but I don't see why their clubs would do so. And you've change your tune because the other week you were suggesting £100-150k as a good deal for Lynch.
Man Utd's debt is from the purchase by the Glazers. If it wasn't for that they generate enough money for their transfer policy. Pearson's bought us outright, so it's a different case for us. Rugby League has nowhere near the income football has and never will, that's why you don't have the same level of transfer activity, it cannot be sustained long term. The salary cap also restricts how much benefit that approach offers.'"
No what Im saying is I would pay the 100-150k no problem for high profile signing like a Peacock Or Lynch but think if we go by your way of thinking we may get them for a lot less. 100k to me is a small fee for the England Captain. What you might forget as well is this club is one of the few who make a profit and thats when we have been awful. Can u imagine the money the club could make in the long term with continued success?
The fact of the matter is we need props and we need top Grade A props not Grade c as Rule might put it
How much did Wigan pay for fielden? Wasnt it around 250k or more? Whatever it was it was well worth it as he helped them from being relegated. Im sure you would have been disgusted with that piece of buisness all that cash for a prop... Then there is the young lad Myler how much as he cost warrington? hasnt done much as he so as You can see buying young doesnt prove u are better in the long run. You go on about the younger plays who you expecting to sign for us and then somehow get a hell of alot better. Doesnt always go like that though thats the problem. Also what you have to understand is i am advocating money spent on props who are around the thirty mark. I would totally agree with you if it was paying for a 30 plus year old for the back line who would have lost alot of there pace. It will be interesting to see what Pearson does but I dont care who the new coach will be if he doesnt get the props sorted out we got no chance next year.
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| Quote: Tongan Mafia "No what Im saying is I would pay the 100-150k no problem for high profile signing like a Peacock Or Lynch but think if we go by your way of thinking we may get them for a lot less. 100k to me is a small fee for the England Captain. What you might forget as well is this club is one of the few who make a profit and thats when we have been awful. Can u imagine the money the club could make in the long term with continued success?
The fact of the matter is we need props and we need top Grade A props not Grade c as Rule might put it
I don`t think Pearson will pay a transfer fee for an older player, i think he will only spend money on a young player were there is a potential future sell on price
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[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "See Sheldon's post and my reply.
As for Peacock/Lynch/Fielden on a small fee, that wouldn't be too bad but I don't see why their clubs would do so. And you've change your tune because the other week you were suggesting £100-150k as a good deal for Lynch.
Man Utd's debt is from the purchase by the Glazers. If it wasn't for that they generate enough money for their transfer policy. Pearson's bought us outright, so it's a different case for us. Rugby League has nowhere near the income football has and never will, that's why you don't have the same level of transfer activity, it cannot be sustained long term. The salary cap also restricts how much benefit that approach offers.'"
You've also got to look at the quota issues.
Moa and Manu are currently only worth one non fed place between them.
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| Quote: Sheldon "You've also got to look at the quota issues.
Moa and Manu are currently only worth one non fed place between them.'"
i thought Manu was exempt
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| Quote: Greavsie "i thought Manu was exempt'"
He is, I think was Sheldon getting more at the fact that we will have less overseas spots for replacements as a result. As it stands we have 4 forwards all out of contract next year and possibly only 2 overseas spots to play with.
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| Quote: Tongan Mafia "No what Im saying is I would pay the 100-150k no problem for high profile signing like a Peacock Or Lynch but think if we go by your way of thinking we may get them for a lot less. 100k to me is a small fee for the England Captain. What you might forget as well is this club is one of the few who make a profit and thats when we have been awful. Can u imagine the money the club could make in the long term with continued success?
The fact of the matter is we need props and we need top Grade A props not Grade c as Rule might put it
I really doubt we’d get them for a lot less, what reason do their club’s have to do so? And the money-making you keep saying about, I don’t see how making a final next year is essential to that. We could miss out next year but build a squad who make finals in the next 4 years if we play it right, and I think that’s the better approach. Rushing things and trying to buy instant success is not necessary, or even helpful sometimes.
Providing we replaced Dowes with a good prop like those I mentioned, I think we’d have a good set of 4 next year. Lynch would be better, yes, but he wouldn’t turn us into strong enough contenders to justify the cost IMO.
Wigan paid more than Fielden was worth because of their situation IMO, but ATEOTD they still got someone who was then one of the best props in the world, was 26 IIRC, and who has been there for 5 seasons and counting. It’s not like for like.
I say about younger players because they’re likely to be cheaper (both transfer fee and wages), and if they do pay off they’ll last longer. The risk of them not delivering on their potential is no greater than a 30-odd year old reaching the point of being past it only halfway through their contract, only it’s a fair bit less money thrown down the pan.
Also, Lynch will be 32 next month, that’s stretching ‘around the 30 mark’ a little.
You seem to be missing that my main concern is not the spending of money, but the wisdom in spending it on further building a pack which will reach retirement age at pretty much the same time. I’m not sure why you don’t see that as a potentially massive problem. If we get the right coach in I’m more interested in them building a squad to compete for a few years than blow a load of money and cap space on a short term band aid.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "If we get the right coach in I’m more interested in them building a squad to compete for a few years than blow a load of money and cap space on a short term band aid.'"
Indeed, if we're going to pay £250k for any "sticking plaster" it should be put with the other £250k we have set aside for a world class coach, meaning we'd get someone earning about £1/2m over 3 seasons, surely most coaches in the game would go for that?
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I really doubt we’d get them for a lot less, what reason do their club’s have to do so? And the money-making you keep saying about, I don’t see how making a final next year is essential to that. We could miss out next year but build a squad who make finals in the next 4 years if we play it right, and I think that’s the better approach. Rushing things and trying to buy instant success is not necessary, or even helpful sometimes.
Providing we replaced Dowes with a good prop like those I mentioned, I think we’d have a good set of 4 next year. Lynch would be better, yes, but he wouldn’t turn us into strong enough contenders to justify the cost IMO.
Wigan paid more than Fielden was worth because of their situation IMO, but ATEOTD they still got someone who was then one of the best props in the world, was 26 IIRC, and who has been there for 5 seasons and counting. It’s not like for like.
I say about younger players because they’re likely to be cheaper (both transfer fee and wages), and if they do pay off they’ll last longer. The risk of them not delivering on their potential is no greater than a 30-odd year old reaching the point of being past it only halfway through their contract, only it’s a fair bit less money thrown down the pan.
No I see your point but You dont seem to get mine lol ...The names you have given for youngsters arnt brilliant and there really not the likes to makes us alot better and competing. If they are top class props around the 25 mark then yes lets buy them but you havent come up with any?
Id prefer them to go down the route like buying Westerman but my point is there doesnt really seem that many good young props what would make us a force. I dont want to be waiting for another four years in the case we might be stronger. We are a massive club with a guy who aint skint and with a sound financial club he now owns we need to go out and sign quality players. We really should be trying to attract the calibre sort of players of the Warringtons of today.
He already is addressing the youth set up so hopefully in the next four years we can get some young lads come out of there to bolster the ranks and hopefully make us stronger. Having top quality experienced players who can help develop the youngsters threw is a important fact. Look at Berrigan how he helped Houghton.
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| Quote: Tongan Mafia "No I see your point but You dont seem to get mine lol ...The names you have given for youngsters arnt brilliant and there really not the likes to makes us alot better and competing. If they are top class props around the 25 mark then yes lets buy them but you havent come up with any?'"
Because there aren't any on the market, just as that last year there were less halfbacks than this year. Next year there may be some more props about, so I don't see the rush to bring in an ageing prop. I think maybe you see our front row as weaker than I do.
Quote: Tongan Mafia "Id prefer them to go down the route like buying Westerman but my point is there doesnt really seem that many good young props what would make us a force. I dont want to be waiting for another four years in the case we might be stronger. We are a massive club with a guy who aint skint and with a sound financial club he now owns we need to go out and sign quality players. We really should be trying to attract the calibre sort of players of the Warringtons of today.'"
Where am I saying wait 4 years? I just don't see the obsession with going straight out for a final next year. Yes, we should be looking to sign players of the right calibre, but not at any cost.
Quote: Tongan Mafia "He already is addressing the youth set up so hopefully in the next four years we can get some young lads come out of there to bolster the ranks and hopefully make us stronger. Having top quality experienced players who can help develop the youngsters threw is a important fact. Look at Berrigan how he helped Houghton.'"
O'Meley can teach any of our young props more about the playing side than Lynch/Peacock/Fielden ever could.
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Quote: Standee "Indeed, if we're going to pay £250k for any "sticking plaster" it should be put with the other £250k we have set aside for a world class coach, meaning we'd get someone earning about £1/2m over 3 seasons, surely most coaches in the game would go for that?'"
£500,000 per season? That's half of Bennets wage from next season.
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| Quote: Sheldon "£500,000 per season? That's half of Bennets wage from next season.'"
he's an exception, obviously.
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Quote: Standee "we're not talking about Bennett, and besides, I am sure you don't really know what Bennett is actually on (or anyone else for that matter)'"
Do I have to put reportedly in front of everything then?
Bennetts reportedly signed a four year deal worth $6 million.
Bellamy and Hasler are reportedly on a little bit less than £500,000 a year but you'd have to compensate them for leaving the premier comp and uprooting their families to move to Hull.
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