Chase would walk into any SL team, yes a coach would accept it and obviously try to improve it.

Compare his try's and try assists he does not offer what Chase does, harsh I admit saying he offers nothing in offence on reflection I should say he does not offer enough. Who would sooner have Chase or Horne ?

The problem is how many of Chase's missed tackles or penalties conceeded led to points? Maybe Chase's defence would be better if he had better defenders around him? Who knows?
I'd take the 2006 Horne over Chase.

So would I but it is now 2011

As many have said, Horne's decline started with the loss of Cooke, but he did look better subsequently when playing with Head, and on the rare occasions with Dykes. Then Agar got the big job and he's struggled again since, in no small part because of the lack of dummy runners and options.



I don't see how being asked to lead the team around the pitch artificially 'inflates' his stats. The fact that he is being asked to be the main playmaker effectively puts a large target on his head for the defence, and with our lack of options a lot of the time it is easier for them to shut him down. Who's to say that having that responsibility lifted wouldn't see him working a bit wider in more space, and actually increase his assists and tries, or even the very presence of another playmaker in the side causing the necessary uncertainty in the opposition's defensive line for Horne to exploit?

You keep saying his dummy is much easier to read than it used to be. That's probably because the opposition's defence can see that there is no viable option for him to pass to, so can see the dummy coming. If he had better runners more often it would probably be bought more often as a result.

If Horney is not kicking & organising what do you think he offers the team ? genuine question.

For me he is slower, his step predictable and he gets batted off a lot more, so I am not sure what he will now add, I genuinely hope I am proved wrong however I doubt very much we will ever see the 2006 Horney and there is no evidence to suggest we will

Only one of us is getting excited on this thread, and it ain't me. I've spent much of the last couple of hours laughing TBH.

There's no manipulation of stats going on here, and frankly you haven't yet produced one that supports your argument in any case. You underestimate how much I see of Horne and also overestimate my opinion of him. You seem happy to ignore the fact that many people who see Horne just as often as you do also disagree with you. You go over stuff that's already been discussed and just repeat the same old points no matter how thoroughly they've been countered. You quote stats when it suits then dismiss them when it doesn't. You misinterpret what people are saying.

Now I'm not getting personal, but if you could understand what people post and put together a coherent argument I would take you more seriously.

Night night.

We always miss horney when he doesn't play that's a fact !

Night Kosh

He offers a good running game, his pace hasn't gone (as Friday proved), he has a very good short kicking game, can kick to the corners accurately and is a very good support player. He's got a pass, step and dummy, and with better support and dummy runners these aspects of his game become less predictable. I'm not the only one saying these things, maybe it's possible?

Yep. I'm not his greatest fan but this can't be argued.

He does not have the speed of 2006 but not too bad, his short kicking game is decent however we have other players who can produce this as well, I disagree with the pass he does the predictable inside pass (now this maybe down to Agar), Horne was never the one with the pass that was Cookies. He is one of the best support players out of a bad bunch, we simply do not produce much support generally as a team. His step and dummy are my most frustrating area tbh it is not good and predicatble and he is more than often caught out presently, although as Carl pointed out this maybe due to his extra responisbilities and could possibly improve if he got out wide.