A supporter is a prisoner with a life sentence - not a consumer

good for him - it is right that he should have that as a goal whatever I might think of his chances

IF pass sales are down and i expect them to be the club would not lose the full pass value, what you will find is that these people will pick and choose the games they go to. And if we were to have a successful season the club could end up making more money out of those previous pass holders.



Many will disagree with you including me, Agar in my opinion has done nothing to show he should be keeping his job. He has the team playing the most dull uninspired rugby that i can remember and should be very grateful to the RFL for getting him a contract extension.

Exactly

What did you want Agar to do last season, takes us from 12th to the top 3? To challenge for 4th was about the best we could expect and we did about as well as we could.

There is a new challenge for him now, he has to improve our league position and also the fans would like to be entertained more. That said I would not mind if our boring rugby took us to a final.

When Brown came over he had very little pedigree and would not have been hailed as a great capture by the board. He had a fantastic squad to work with at the Dragons but never produced. Maguire may have been at the best club around but that is largely down to the fact that Bellamy is regarded as the best coach around along with Bennett. There were no certainties about how he would perform. Daniel Anderson was another when he came to Saints.

So yes I can say with great certainty that either of these two coaches will have been met with some apprehension by the fans as neither came accross with top billing.

You never quite know how things will turn out, plenty of aussies have come over and failed. Yes there are potentially better coaches around than Agar and my belief is that a new head coach along with a new backroom team is what is needed for us to compete for silverware. The fact is however that Agar had to get the team back in the playoffs last season and he did. He now has to improve us again and if not he will be gone.

Well to be honest yes I did, unrealistic maybe but IMO entirely fair given that before last season he'd had a full 1 1/2 season's where he was completely unaccountable for results.

The club had been in and around the top four in the seasons prior to Agar's arrival, on top of that we regularly won playoff games and even reached a grand final. When Agar took over we were fed the line that the squad simply wasn't up to challenging and root & branch reform was required before we could be back up there. In the proceeding 2 full seasons he's hard in charge he's served up abject failure in the first one and relative failure in the second, all the while playing the most one-dimensional mind numbing rugby in the competition. You could make the case that even if we were to finish 4th next season and win a playoff game it would be a failure since all he'd done was take 3/12 seasons to replicate the position we were in the season before he took over!

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I don't stick up for Agar I just look at it from a balanced perspective and there are things I think he has done well and things I want improved. You can moan on here all year long it won't make a bit of difference to Agar being employed with us or not.

Brown and Maguire were not classed as top quality coaches, no matter how you dress it up. One had constantly failed with a top class team and the other had only ever been a number two. If we had announced either one of them it would have been met on here with 'who' 'what have they ever done' etc etc. There is no guarantee when bringing over players or a coach and sometimes a less known name might be a better option as they have something to prove.

So who would you replace Agar with?

whats graham murray up to these days