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Quote: ccs "... and too easy to blame AP ??'"

I'm not really blaming ap, I think most fans appreciate the money he as put in and what he's trying to do, but I just think this all stinks of a bit of a pr stunt to sell more or try and sell more season tickets, I think most hull fans struggled last season , it was a bore fest, I personally think, we will get plenty of walk up fans next season, I'll be one of them, and if the team perform well, people will then consider buying for the season after. It's not rocket science

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Quote: Tinkerman23 "I'm not really blaming ap, I think most fans appreciate the money he as put in and what he's trying to do, but I just think this all stinks of a bit of a pr stunt to sell more or try and sell more season tickets, I think most hull fans struggled last season , it was a bore fest, I personally think, we will get plenty of walk up fans next season, I'll be one of them, and if the team perform well, people will then consider buying for the season after. It's not rocket science'"


Careful, your being a realist. Cant have that.

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He'd shift another couple of thousand passes if he binned radford and brought in a decent coach.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "I suggest you read the accounts, then. FC’s direct costs are reported as £1.2m. Poor effort.

They’re not the same things, clearly. But they are the same number.

Well, actually they do. You know we’re talking about “direct” costs, and not the separately reported overheads/expenses line, right?

Sure. Mainly in the separate £1.9m expenses/overheads line you’d think.

Direct costs varying in line with activity you’d say.

I have no idea what that comment means.

City service around 450k customers a year, us just 130k. That’s a ratio of 3.5 to 1. The direct costs of the clubs are £1.812m and £1.224m respectively. That’s a ratio of 1.48 to 1. I take the point on part fixed/variable costs, but that’s still a very significant disparity in my opinion. Like you, I can’t comment on the accuracy. But I do find it odd that if you look back to the 2010 accounts, the P&L schedule showed FC’s direct costs were £0.2m. Assuming like for like definitions that would be a six-fold increase in our direct costs on reduced gates. Or going from a positive direct contribution to the SMC in 2010 of +£0.4m to causing them a net loss of -£1.2m in 2014. Have the underlying finances really shifted that much? Perhaps the basis of cost allocation/reporting definition has changed…'"

Comprehensive ownership there Mrs B. Never argue accounts with an accountant or law with a lawyer.

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Quote: Chris28 "Comprehensive ownership there Mrs B. Never argue accounts with an accountant or law with a lawyer.'"

"Keith" reminds me of Vicenzo. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Didn't we pretty much break even last season? I'm sure that is what the club announced. Add in an extra £600k SKY money and surely we can't be anywhere near as bad as is being made out?'"


But crowds are down - to just over 9500 (actual in ground) for last season, plus no Wembley appearance.

Pearson's already invested plenty of his own funds, no doubt envisioning the success he predicted would negate that by now. In fact, the opposite has happened and he's simply running out of cash. Corners will have to be cut - no blame, just fact. The slippery slope then beckons.

Agree about Radford, but it's a bit late for another radical change and new start, financially-wise. I'm sure Radford is well aware of the situation and his expected role. We'll just have to pray he can rise to it.

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Quote: WormInHand "But crowds are down - to just over 9500 (actual in ground) for last season, plus no Wembley appearance.

Pearson's already invested plenty of his own funds, no doubt envisioning the success he predicted would negate that by now. In fact, the opposite has happened and he's simply running out of cash. Corners will have to be cut - no blame, just fact. The slippery slope then beckons.

Agree about Radford, but it's a bit late for another radical change and new start, financially-wise. I'm sure Radford is well aware of the situation and his expected role. We'll just have to pray he can rise to it.'"

We lost out on CC money because of the p!ss poor effort from the players and the p!ss poor coaching. We lost more money due to our position in the league, again down to the players and the coach.

But actually how much money has AP actually 'lost'? Yes he's made investments but you think he isn't taking any money back from our income, or do fans think every outgoing cost is a direct hit on his wallet/bank balance, it clearly isn't.
Of course he isn't going to be making huge sums if anything at all but all this talk of running out of cash and it costing him wads of money is just nonsense.

It shouldn't be about 'cutting corners', it should be about looking at efficiency, and if some don't like that well that's tough. Shape up or ship out as they say. AP should be taking direct responsibility on this front or get someone in whom he knows can do this job.
I still think we lack someone like James Rule to maximize our sales and marketing potentials

Unless we make a decent start I think sub 10k attendances will be the norm for next season

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Quote: Dave K. "IMO we have a good halfback partnership, these two for the majority of last season were two of the best in the league, by your comments I am not sure that you watched either last season. I would say these two are the best halfbacks (on paper) we have had since Cooke and Horne were in their prime and a massive massive improvements on our halfs last year, had we had these two last season we would have finished in the play offs with ease IMO.

As key a half is, Saints won the GF with very poor halfbacks for most of the season.'"


Got a good look at both, not looking to argue but there is a lot of hype surrounding certain players and it was sneyds turn last year. I think he is a good player but the expectation at Hull will be the acid test. Don't raise the bar too high for the lad. Pryce is 33 so he is not a long term solution.

The point I was trying to make is your issues are on the field but have the potential to start off it. Fix the on field issues soon and off the field will take care of itself. Your fans want to believe so any improvement should get the fans back.

Oh and we are not the blue print for no half back (as several wigan fans were telling me leaving old trafford icon_lol.gif ) . We just managed to ride the wave from having good half backs. We were in a similar boat to you in 2013, it just shows how having a 7 and a good prop can improve the confidence of a team. Hull are capable of turning things around just as quickly.

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Quote: Noel Cleal "Got a good look at both, not looking to argue but there is a lot of hype surrounding certain players and it was sneyds turn last year. I think he is a good player but the expectation at Hull will be the acid test. Don't raise the bar too high for the lad. Pryce is 33 so he is not a long term solution.

The point I was trying to make is your issues are on the field but have the potential to start off it. Fix the on field issues soon and off the field will take care of itself. Your fans want to believe so any improvement should get the fans back.'"


Fair points I'll be happy if Sneyd has a good season as it will be better than most of our halfs the last few years. He mainly does the basics, decent passing and kicking, which is what we have lacked, although he does have some magic in his play as we saw a few times.

Pryce be 33, big a big improvement on Horne, will help bring the likes of Abdul and HTW on who aren't ready for a full season yet.

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Quote: Dave K. "Fair points I'll be happy if Sneyd has a good season as it will be better than most of our halfs the last few years. He mainly does the basics, decent passing and kicking, which is what we have lacked, although he does have some magic in his play as we saw a few times.

Pryce be 33, big a big improvement on Horne, will help bring the likes of Abdul and HTW on who aren't ready for a full season yet.'"


You just have to stick with Sneyd for a bit even if he does have a rocky start. Having an experienced player next to him should in theory help him bed in.

You were unlucky with holdsworth, he should have been a good signing for you. That sort of controiling player is what you need.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "We lost out on CC money because of the p!ss poor effort from the players and the p!ss poor coaching. We lost more money due to our position in the league, again down to the players and the coach.

But actually how much money has AP actually 'lost'? Yes he's made investments but you think he isn't taking any money back from our income, or do fans think every outgoing cost is a direct hit on his wallet/bank balance, it clearly isn't.
Of course he isn't going to be making huge sums if anything at all but all this talk of running out of cash and it costing him wads of money is just nonsense.

It shouldn't be about 'cutting corners', it should be about looking at efficiency, and if some don't like that well that's tough. Shape up or ship out as they say. AP should be taking direct responsibility on this front or get someone in whom he knows can do this job.
I still think we lack someone like James Rule to maximize our sales and marketing potentials

Unless we make a decent start I think sub 10k attendances will be the norm for next season'"


I agree with that, even though his constant spin became grating in the end, Rule was pretty much everywhere in the local media. Pearson is a very good public speaker, but quite rightly as Chairman he picks and chooses his moments to give interviews. I suppose he planned for Mcrae to cover that role, but we know how that worked out!

to give the current marketing staff some slack though, the economic conditions are far different from the early days of the KC when local businesses hiring out boxes for corporate jollys was seen as the norm, and the vast majority of fans have less disposable income to spend in the club shop.

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Rule was a great marketing manager, terrible CEO.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "We lost out on CC money because of the p!ss poor effort from the players and the p!ss poor coaching. We lost more money due to our position in the league, again down to the players and the coach.

But actually how much money has AP actually 'lost'? Yes he's made investments but you think he isn't taking any money back from our income, or do fans think every outgoing cost is a direct hit on his wallet/bank balance, it clearly isn't.
Of course he isn't going to be making huge sums if anything at all but all this talk of running out of cash and it costing him wads of money is just nonsense.

It shouldn't be about 'cutting corners', it should be about looking at efficiency, and if some don't like that well that's tough. Shape up or ship out as they say. AP should be taking direct responsibility on this front or get someone in whom he knows can do this job.
I still think we lack someone like James Rule to maximize our sales and marketing potentials

Unless we make a decent start I think sub 10k attendances will be the norm for next season'"


Someone I know was a guest of the club at the Salford cup game and Pearson said that defeat mean't he would have to put another £50k into the club.

I very much doubt he is taking any money from the club because its making a loss. He is having to put money in. His income comes from his other business interests. He doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, he's no Koukash. He bought the club with the intention of taking an income from it and selling it for a profit. He is a long way from doing either. I don't believe he'll walk because he will lose his investment but sooner or later he will run out of money to put in and will expect the club to be self-financing; reduced income means reduced spending.

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Just because the club is making an overall loss doesn't mean Pearson isn't taking money from the total generated income. To think otherwise is naive in extremis. It's the same with other 'investments', they are just that. Accquiring and improving doesn't then mean that accquisition is becomes worthless but it is obvious AP isn't the great businessman some are giving him credit for. He has made endless mistakes, both with personnel and decisions that effect the daily and long term running of the club. His mouth and ultimately his pride/stupidity have come back to bite him many times over and continue to do so even with the likes of paying off of Miller.

There's no doubt that the lost income as a result of being knocked out will have a financial effect somewhere along the line but is all of that directly out of AP's pocket..I hardly think so. Clearly if AP made that statement he had already projected a win and what that would mean financially for the year. (That said we made a packet last year!) But the loss was actually down to Pearson himself in reality. He was the one whom put in charge a man clearly not up to the job, he ultimately is the one that pulls the strings and ok's the terrible decisions made by the coach/backstabber. So basically it is a reap what you sow scenario. He's cutting off his nose to spite his face instead of admitting he was massively wrong to back Radford and now he's blaming the fans for stating away when it is his decisions, his words, his actions that are putting fans off.
Oh I'll still come to games, I've never not come but I won't buy a season pass even though I can afford to. I'd even buy the 'Live' package so I can see games I can't get to and indeed pay much more for it but frankly it's cr@p, poor quality and is amatuerish and the club can't even be bothered to respond to fans when they tell you why they won't renew their subscription.
As I keep saying the club is poorly run and the owner is an idiot with bi-polar tendancies

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Quote: Jake the Peg "He'd shift another couple of thousand passes if he binned radford and brought in a decent coach.'"


Would be hugely surprised if the club had the money to implement this!

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