Frawley and Fages are the worst 7s in super league….just shows you how a very good team can carry a player like Sts did with Fages…he was gash at Hudds as well under Watson but who does.

Leeds have managed to recruit a worse 7 than Sezer for this season. Smith should win some sort of award for that alone

He was good at Hudds til Watson took over…theme emerging here but Smiths recruitment is awful…but like his uncles

Who were those games against? How influential was abdul? Tries scored, assists?

No, you're right. It's his fault that they lost the games when he didn't play and he had no influence in the games he played when they won.

Presumably his coach, who has access to far more meaningful stats than you, doesn't agree that he's the difference between winning and losing or he wouldn't have dropped him.

Lies, damn lies and statistics

Did Abdull play tonight?

Presumably his new coach next season sees him as a difference between winning and losing,maybe maybe just trust Cartwright eh.

Maybe he was signed before cartwright signed on? Do you really think cartwright knows anything about Jordan abdul?

People can believe abdul is fit, healthy, injury free and in great form if they want. No skin off my nose but I do genuinely wonder if some posters on here really know the first thing about the game when I read some comments, certainly see a very different game to what I see

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I reckon Cartwright knows about all our signings.We are know Abdull struggles with his size but am prepared to see what he is like after a pre-season with the new regime instead of sticking the boot in.As for knowing the game,not got a clue after 1st going in 1975.I don’t profess to being a all knowing expert like some on here but can hold my own.

The thing is…if we all saw the game the same way it would be bloody boring,we all have different opinions on games,players etc etc.I won’t comment on something I haven’t seen like todays match…I saw the last 10mins and that was it.

We get you don't rate Abdul, do you need to mention 3 times a week?

We need to get him fit pre season, Grix has already said that.

I'm commenting on poor recruitment overall. A mix of players with poor injury and fitness records, ageing players, players who haven't made it in the nrl. It's a high risk strategy which may pay off but probably won't. My opinion is as valid as those who just want to wait and see with their perennial optimism.

We've had years of poor to average signings who get lauded on here before playing a game for us then turn out badly. 2025 may be the year all of that changes but with the current signings done or rumoured I don't see it. Just a scrap for 10th place with cas and probably wakey although they seem to be making better quality signings than us

Get the feeling Jake was poised at his keyboard waiting for Catalans game to start?

Once he saw Abdul wasn’t playing he wet himself