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| The fact is, nobody knows what anybody is being paid you're all simply assuming Salford MUST be over the cap. When infact the reality is we're just spending what the majority of other clubs are doing.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "The fact is, nobody knows what anybody is being paid you're all simply assuming Salford MUST be over the cap. When infact the reality is we're just spending what the majority of other clubs are doing.'"
So nobody knows what anyone at Salford is paid, but you know they the club are spending the same as other clubs.
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| Quote: number 6 "the 3 high earners will take up a large chunk at a guess, a long with chase!
like most clubs when signing players, they will get more of their contract payments in the latter of it.'"
Gareth Hock won't be playing for the love of it either.
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| Quote: Dave K. "So nobody knows what anyone at Salford is paid, but you know they the club are spending the same as other clubs.'"
Errrr, yes because we passed last season's salary cap audit.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Errrr, yes because we passed last season's salary cap audit.'" Ahhhhh....
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| Salford be in the cap. Big players are only on average salaries. It's their appearance monies for things outside rugby ie promoting horses for a few days work which is easily done outside the cap.
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| .... and here's me thinking that the Registrations and Salary Cap Manager would catch out every indiscretion.
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| Similar to tax, I strongly suspect there is little need for cap evasion by the rich when there is ample opportunity for cap avoidance. If Rovers could afford to exploit the loopholes more fully... well if others are doing it, then for all that I'm broadly pro-cap, I'd hardly complain.
Mind you, the RFL do often take a 'pragmatic' approach to enforcing their rules. I'm sure hull fans have few qualms about Pearson talking about signing Scott Taylor despite the anti-tampering rule.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Similar to tax, I strongly suspect there is little need for cap evasion by the rich when there is ample opportunity for cap avoidance. If Rovers could afford to exploit the loopholes more fully... well if others are doing it, then for all that I'm broadly pro-cap, I'd hardly complain.
Mind you, the RFL do often take a 'pragmatic' approach to enforcing their rules. I'm sure hull fans have few qualms about Pearson talking about signing Scott Taylor despite the anti-tampering rule.'"
It isn't tampering if the player's club give him permission to talk to others.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "It isn't tampering if the player's club give him permission to talk to others.'"
Given Wigan's reaction, do you think that is likely in this situation? The reason Hull won't get in to trouble is because the rule isn't enforced. The reason some clubs can spend more within the cap, is because they can afford to exploit its elasticity. Hull maybe can't to the same extent as Salford at the moment, but if they the could the cynic in me suspects there'd be less eagerness on here for the RFL to grow a pair.
My point is that 'the problem' with the cap is more about the rule than its enforcement.
In contrast the anti-tampering rule, is clear, unambiguous, widely understood and completely unenforceable.
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| You can approach OOC players in May I think. Wigan didn't trigger the option in their favour for 2015 until August IIRC.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "You can approach OOC players in May I think. Wigan didn't trigger the option in their favour for 2015 until August IIRC.'"
Beat me to it.
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| Quote: ccs ".... and here's me thinking that the Registrations and Salary Cap Manager would catch out every indiscretion.'"
Remember a few years ago when "paying a player off" was included in the cap. Yet here we are this year with AP stating we are paying over £400k off cap to players being paid off, players costing him more than his divorce.
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| you may be saying neil barker is way off the mark...(which he normally is).. but not this time.. salford are announcing the signing of Joe Westerman in the morning..THATS OFFICIAL..( one of office staff told me this morning)
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "You can approach OOC players in May I think. Wigan didn't trigger the option in their favour for 2015 until August IIRC.'"
In reality you can approach anybody any time, so whether you're actually ooc when there is an option in the club's favour is a moot point. Technically you might be right, in which case Hull are safe from the prospect of no punishment whatsoever. Phew.
No club sticks to the letter of that rule, never mind the spirit, I think it is fairly safe to say. It's more of a non-announcement rule, to protect the player from fans (and in the odd case coaches and chairmen) who tend to disgruntlement.
In reality there are loopholes in the cap that mean I doubt that anybody has to resort to stuffing brown envelopes with tenners.
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