so do the players,so maybe there is the problem!!!!

aye but were kind of brought up with it arent we.is it the dockers/fishermans work hard party hard heritage

Sorry mate i actually meant all players playing in SL who are not at there original teams (excluding foreigners of course)

Ie Tansey, Sharp, J Turner, Dowes etc etc for us

I remember in 2007 we fielded a team in the second round of the play-offs, having finished 4th and beaten Huddersfield in the first round, that had only one overseas player and 10 homegrown in it. Lost 18-21 but felt pretty proud of that teamsheet. Think this was it
3 Richard Whiting Homegrown
4 Kirk Yeaman Homegrown
5 Gareth Raynor
6 Richard Horne Homegrown
7 Matthew Head
8 Paul King Homegrown
9 Tommy Lee Homegrown
10 Garreth Carvell
11 Lee Radford Homegrown
12 Danny Tickle
13 Danny Washbrook Homegrown
14 Wayne Godwin
15 Graeme Horne Homegrown
16 Scott Wheeldon Homegrown
17 Ewan Dowes

fair point but hall,king,lee,g horne and wheeldon have been shipped out deemed not good enough, and whilst many are workmanlike pro's most didnt/havent reach(ed) the level we expected .for me its just that half backs or flair players dont seem to develop well here

Mebbe why Crooks & Harman have been released?

It's been a perpetual conundrum for decades now. We can produce amatuer title-winning sides for fun, we (Hull & KR) struggle to get those players to make the big step up.

Who was the last Hull born, Hull trained scrum half to gain international (as in England or GB) honours?

Please don't mention Rich Horne, he may play at No 7 occasionally but if he's a scrum half then I'm a banana

It depends what you classed PC as.
He was never a 6 so its either 7 or 13 and he did play for england didnt he?

pc never reached his full potential though did he.at his best he was good but didnt do it on a regular enough basis to be considered top drawer

No I agree and I hope Cod'ead doesn't think im being sarcastic.
I was just answering his question (I think).

Only in the Federation Shield tournament with Tonga, Samoa and France in 2006 whilst the Tri Nations including GB were taking place down under. In effect it was a junior England squad, so he's not a "full" international.

That's fair enough I just remembered him pictured in the HDM lining up a kick whilst wearing and england shirt.

I see a lot of young lads who get snapped up by FC, and such is the obsessive nature of the support in our city, they get treated like they've made it when in reality they have achieved nothing. It's easy to ponce about in a tracksuit at 16, harder to cut it at SL. I think there has been a lack of good role models for our younger lads at times; hopefully Fitz has had some influence showing what it takes to be genuienly world class. Imagine the role models available to youngsters at Saints and Leeds in recent years compared with our drunkards and misfits.

I also think we suffer from a lack of decent level for our younger lads to play in; anybody who has seen our academy side play can testify that it is absolutely no preparation for SL. Look at Burnett this year, last season looked really promising, this year can't get a game because of our strength in his position and his form when given an opportunity has been average at best due to not being exposed to a decent level of competition in what is a very important time in his development. Look at OZ, a number of their reserve grade sides could cut it in the lower reaches of SL.

the local talent is now diluted between 2 teams as well,with even more pressure on them to perform.roll models are important but club discipline should help keep all players on the straight and narrow.isnt bigging emerging talent up and then knocking em down an english pastime anyway.some of it must be down to personal drive,mental strength and ambition(as someone posted earlier)but theyre are other factors

That's all down to training, coaching, conditioning and more importantly a mind-set.

The simple fact is that of a given squad of 20 players in reserve grade, in any one year, one or possibly two may show potential. It then boils down to how that potential is developed and probably more importantly, keeping the potential player's head out of the clouds.

In an X-Factor society, where celebrity is viewed as success in itself, rather than the product of success, is there any wonder we have Tommy Lee and his contemporaries already believing that they've "made it"? Or a half-competent half/full back decides he's already the next Ashley Cole?

Think be better for Hull if they also had a team in local league as every one says Under 20's boys playing boys then when come to playing some rough old timer they come unstuck.

Can not beleave a City that produced Markham,Coverdale ,Whiteley's ,Harrison, Taylor ,Lowe,Rose,Crane,Casey and a lot of good other forwards has only produced a hooker in the last 10 years.

This most show it's the coaching or lack off !!